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> We are learning more about mind body connections and this is very not true... We are RE-learning. Look at all the "new science" on psychedelics. Or gut bacte
by chiefalchemist 3y ago
> We are learning more about mind body connections and this is very not true...
We are RE-learning. Look at all the "new science" on psychedelics. Or gut bacteria. Etc.
I'm not sure what the bottleneck is...we did not evolve to sit all day, inside, at desk, gazing into screens. It really is *that* simple.
p.s. While nothing revolutionary new per se "The Comfort Crisis" by Michael Easter goes a solid job making the case for "this is where we came from, stop thinking where we are is compatible."
- hinkley 3y ago> We are RE-learning. Fair point. I got accused of the “noble savage” myth recently in another post and I went the wrong way with it. In trying to be better stewards of the natural world we are looking at vestige civilizations that never lost it, but the fact of the matter is that if you watch history shows, one I’m thinking of was a recreation of feudal life in Tudor England, Western Europeans used to “know” many, many of these things too, but they forgot it all in the Industrial Revolution, then encountered civilizations that hadn’t forgotten, and ground them to dust, instead of remembering. After hundreds of years of trying to solve problems with the same level of thinking that created them, there’s always a set of people who are asking questions about the trip we are on. There’s a fine line between pastoralism and compromise that we haven’t worked it out yet, and we don’t even always see it when it happens. There’s a circumstantial chain of evidence out there that David Hume injected Eastern Philosophy into The Enlightenment. If that’s even a little true, this big philosophical Step Forward was really a step “back”, or maybe sideways. And I think we still don’t know where the Stoics got their ideas from. Themselves, or Buddhism?
- NovaDudely 3y agoIt is most likely that both the Stoics and Buddhism got their ideas from simple introspection. I didn't read Buddhism and have an epiphany, I came to it the same conclusion by myself and then saw that others had done the same.
- somenameforme 3y agoI think there's even a plausible direct route to stoicism. The Ancient Greeks were entirely aware of the importance of having a healthy body to have a healthy mind. In Ancient Greece, a gymnasium is where one would go not only to train the body, but also the mind. Many countries, such as Germany, have retained this etymology with certain advanced types of schools being called gymnasiums. And in the gym one can only make significant gains by effectively controlling and overcoming their own response to pain and the body telling you, 'no - stop stop stop!' Why would truly effective control and mastery of our minds be any different? And from there you're already 9/10ths of the way to 'inventing' Stoicism. Somehow this reminds me of a really old (and fun) Arnold interview [1]. His behavior, attitude, and responses there (and even in general, really) really hit on Stoic values. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTGPfJUJRh0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTGPfJUJRh0
- zachkatz 3y ago> we did not evolve to sit all day, inside, at desk, gazing into screens What I love about Apple Vision Pro is that it has the potential to solve this!