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> No one is taking them up on it to turn around and sell. And you know that how? Because you can't buy a server with it in it? > Because OPENPower is ahead of
by panick21_ 3y ago
> No one is taking them up on it to turn around and sell.
And you know that how? Because you can't buy a server with it in it?
> Because OPENPower is ahead of RISC-V in most ways, with much better software support + IBM pushing it, yet has basically gained zero traction.
OpenPower was simply not open. It was 'marketing' open. It was tightly controlled by a few companies and they wanted to sell you expensive CPU.
Only way after RISC-V was successful did OpenPower finally change its license terms, by then it was already to late as RISC-V already had all the momentum.
Being from IBM is not actually a benefit for many companies.
We have seen far, far, far larger investments in RISC-V then we have ever seen in OpenPower. And I question if the software support is really that much better by now.
Ventana, Alibaba, Esperanto, Tenstorrent, SiFive are all investing lots of money, there is a lot of traction. I think we should be careful predicting 10 years ahead with any confidence.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago> And you know that how? Because you can't buy a server with it in it? Nor a desktop/laptop. And running a linux desktop on it (much less a Windows desktop) is not easy from what I can tell. I want to be enthusiastic about Tenstorrent in particular, but their supposedly open market PCIe accelerator cards never materialized.
- 0x000xca0xfe 3y agoI literally have a RISC-V SBC running a graphical desktop next to me right now, it's a MangoPi MQ-Pro. Sure there aren't many boards so far (good list: http://krimsky.net/articles/riscvsbc.html http://krimsky.net/articles/riscvsbc.html ), but come on, give it a couple more years! The progress is insanely fast for the hardware world.
- brucehoult 3y agoYou do realise it takes three to four years to go from licensing a core from someone like Tenstorrent to having a mass-production chip, on a board, in the market? We are just now in the first half of 2023 getting mass-production chips and boards using cores announced in October 2018 (SiFive U74 -- VisionFive 2, Pine64 Star64 and PineTab-V, Milk-V Mars) and July 2019 (THead C910 -- Sipeed Lichee Pi 4A, Milk-V Pioneer). This is NORMAL. It took the same amount of time from Arm A53 announced (October 2012) to Raspberry Pi 3 (February 2016) and Arm A72 announced (February 2015) to Pi 4 (July 2019) and Graviton 1 installed at AWS (Movember 2018). It takes a while, but once set in motion it is basically clockwork inevitable.
- panick21_ 3y ago> Nor a desktop/laptop. You realize the world doesn't evolve around you and what you need right? The market for chips is large selling them to you might not be top priority.