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No more waterproof phones I guess. This saddens me. I find it very useful when driving my bike outdoors with it being mounted to my bike.

kwanbix 3y ago
Yeah, I honestly don't see the advantage. What I would ask is that companies that create phones without replaceable batteries, should provide replacement by a reasonable fee (let's say no more than 9% the cost of the phone).
- celestialcheese 3y ago
  The problem that these bills are trying to solve isn't just consumer, it's End of Life management at the recycler level. Glued-in, Li-ion batteries over the years have caused so much headache for ewaste processors. Apple has improved over the years with their glue tabs, but it's still a big problem in the market as a whole. https://www.popsci.com/energy/lithium-ion-batteries-recycling-fire/ https://www.popsci.com/energy/lithium-ion-batteries-recyclin... https://www.waste360.com/business/li-ion-battery-fires-unfairly-cost-waste-recycling-and-scrap-operators-over-12-billion https://www.waste360.com/business/li-ion-battery-fires-unfai...
  - kwanbix 3y ago
    That is why I said that companies should provide a reasonably priced battery exchange program.
kvdveer 3y ago
Contrary to how this bill is usually portrayed in the news, this bill allows for using screws and gaskets. Those are enough to make a phone waterproof. Lots of other waterproof equipment achieves Ip68 with only screws and gaskets. I don't see why phones should be any different.
limuc 3y ago
No. There are already phones that can do this. For example the Samsung Xcover 5.
robotnikman 3y ago
The Samsung Galaxy S5 has a replaceable battery and was waterproof, so they are not mutually exclusive options.
lost_tourist 3y ago
You have that little confidence that engineers can make things waterproof? all it takes is a sealed environment with a gasket and a bunch of screws. Making "clip in" backs that are waterproof is a challenge, but there's no reason that has to be the norm, screws have worked for centuries and don't break nearly as often as clips
c2h5oh 3y ago
You can still have a waterproof phone with replaceable battery through the revolutionary technology of gaskets ;-) There were several models like that already before manufacturers figured out it's cheaper to glue them
- WeylandYutani 3y ago
  Price matters to consumers. If phones become more expensive because of this virtue signalling regulation it will be killed. The EU parliament is still a democracy.
rypskar 3y ago
Fairphone have replaceable everything and is IP54 rated [0], making it weather proof [0]https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/10377554840593-IP-Rating https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/103775548405...

kwanbix 3y ago

Yeah, I honestly don't see the advantage. What I would ask is that companies that create phones without replaceable batteries, should provide replacement by a reasonable fee (let's say no more than 9% the cost of the phone).

celestialcheese 3y ago
The problem that these bills are trying to solve isn't just consumer, it's End of Life management at the recycler level. Glued-in, Li-ion batteries over the years have caused so much headache for ewaste processors. Apple has improved over the years with their glue tabs, but it's still a big problem in the market as a whole. https://www.popsci.com/energy/lithium-ion-batteries-recycling-fire/ https://www.popsci.com/energy/lithium-ion-batteries-recyclin... https://www.waste360.com/business/li-ion-battery-fires-unfairly-cost-waste-recycling-and-scrap-operators-over-12-billion https://www.waste360.com/business/li-ion-battery-fires-unfai...
- kwanbix 3y ago
  That is why I said that companies should provide a reasonably priced battery exchange program.

kvdveer 3y ago

Contrary to how this bill is usually portrayed in the news, this bill allows for using screws and gaskets. Those are enough to make a phone waterproof. Lots of other waterproof equipment achieves Ip68 with only screws and gaskets. I don't see why phones should be any different.

limuc 3y ago

No. There are already phones that can do this. For example the Samsung Xcover 5.

robotnikman 3y ago

The Samsung Galaxy S5 has a replaceable battery and was waterproof, so they are not mutually exclusive options.

lost_tourist 3y ago

You have that little confidence that engineers can make things waterproof? all it takes is a sealed environment with a gasket and a bunch of screws. Making "clip in" backs that are waterproof is a challenge, but there's no reason that has to be the norm, screws have worked for centuries and don't break nearly as often as clips

c2h5oh 3y ago

You can still have a waterproof phone with replaceable battery through the revolutionary technology of gaskets ;-) There were several models like that already before manufacturers figured out it's cheaper to glue them

WeylandYutani 3y ago
Price matters to consumers. If phones become more expensive because of this virtue signalling regulation it will be killed. The EU parliament is still a democracy.

rypskar 3y ago

Fairphone have replaceable everything and is IP54 rated [0], making it weather proof [0]https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/10377554840593-IP-Rating https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/103775548405...