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He had a different risk tolerance and definition of safety. I would not agree that he made wise choice, but there is a difference between wanton recklessness an

by samtho 3y ago

He had a different risk tolerance and definition of safety. I would not agree that he made wise choice, but there is a difference between wanton recklessness and literally suicidal.

jrm4 3y ago
I agree with your assessment, but I also see no value in "respecting his choices?" Which is to say, if people like him think we're assholes for calling them something-like-if-not-exactly-suicidal, thats fine, I'll be an asshole. I still sleep better calling it out than being silent here.
- samtho 3y ago
  My issue is less with dardevil climbers being offended and more to do with the dilution of the word “suicidal” which is a term that most sensible people would aged should remain free if hyperbole, disparagement, and overprescription. The article mentions he was battling with depression and actually described suicidal thoughts and ideations. This is very clearly contrasted to his thrill seeking tendencies and the fact he seemed to have goals even if it was to stave off depression. Language is powerful and it’s meaning changes over time, but it is doing a disservice to mental health to simply label actions you find reckless as suicidal to signal your personal disapproval.
  - ajhurliman 3y ago
    The guy actually dies due to his reckless/suicidal actions, has suicidal thoughts/ ideation, and you’re just perfectly content with assuming they’re completely unrelated? Has it ever crossed your mind that his mental state manifested itself in his actions that took a sport from moderately dangerous to “flipping the coin on your life”? The most mike blowing part of this is that the part you’re most concerned with is policing the language used in the conversation, not actual outcomes in peoples’ lives. I’m sorry if I’m not young, wild and free like you and him are, but I pity any friends or family who might be in a situation where they need a voice of reason to call them back from making a stupid, life-ending decision and all they have is you telling them “it’s okay as long as it’s within your risk tolerance!”
  - jrm4 3y ago
    "Clearly contrasted?" What are you talking about? They're obviously associated, you just SHOWED that. You've provided the best proof possible that "suicidal" is appropriate.

by samtho 3y ago

He had a different risk tolerance and definition of safety. I would not agree that he made wise choice, but there is a difference between wanton recklessness and literally suicidal.

jrm4 3y ago

I agree with your assessment, but I also see no value in "respecting his choices?" Which is to say, if people like him think we're assholes for calling them something-like-if-not-exactly-suicidal, thats fine, I'll be an asshole. I still sleep better calling it out than being silent here.

samtho 3y ago
My issue is less with dardevil climbers being offended and more to do with the dilution of the word “suicidal” which is a term that most sensible people would aged should remain free if hyperbole, disparagement, and overprescription. The article mentions he was battling with depression and actually described suicidal thoughts and ideations. This is very clearly contrasted to his thrill seeking tendencies and the fact he seemed to have goals even if it was to stave off depression. Language is powerful and it’s meaning changes over time, but it is doing a disservice to mental health to simply label actions you find reckless as suicidal to signal your personal disapproval.
- ajhurliman 3y ago
  The guy actually dies due to his reckless/suicidal actions, has suicidal thoughts/ ideation, and you’re just perfectly content with assuming they’re completely unrelated? Has it ever crossed your mind that his mental state manifested itself in his actions that took a sport from moderately dangerous to “flipping the coin on your life”? The most mike blowing part of this is that the part you’re most concerned with is policing the language used in the conversation, not actual outcomes in peoples’ lives. I’m sorry if I’m not young, wild and free like you and him are, but I pity any friends or family who might be in a situation where they need a voice of reason to call them back from making a stupid, life-ending decision and all they have is you telling them “it’s okay as long as it’s within your risk tolerance!”
- jrm4 3y ago
  "Clearly contrasted?" What are you talking about? They're obviously associated, you just SHOWED that. You've provided the best proof possible that "suicidal" is appropriate.