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Hahahaha I was picturing this idea before asking tbh... We sometimes get some customers who hate the QR's, or claim not having phone/signal/whatever. I'll len

by tough 3y ago

Hahahaha I was picturing this idea before asking tbh... We sometimes get some customers who hate the QR's, or claim not having phone/signal/whatever. I'll lend them my phone to check...

arrowsmith 3y ago
Or you could just print a goddamn paper menu?
- wpietri 3y ago
  Who still has a printer? Maybe they could fax you one instead?
  - duckmysick 3y ago
    Print shops. Restaurants already source their materials and equipment from other suppliers. They don't grow their own food; they don't need to print their own menus.
    - wpietri 3y ago
      Sure, the same is true of anything written. But much of that has shifted to digital media because it's more convenient. A print shop has much higher latency and change costs. The newer restaurants in my neighborhood mostly use flexible ways of conveying prices. QR codes, menus on big screens, chalkboards, or computer-printed paper menus on disposable paper.
      - boring_twenties 3y ago
        More convenient for the restaurant, less convenient for the customer. This defeats the whole purpose of a restaurant, which is to be convenient. If I wanted to be inconvenienced I would just buy groceries and cook them at home.
        wpietri 3y ago
        I don't think it's "the customer". I think it's you and some other folks who are in a relatively narrow customer niche who are very big on convenience and grew up on paper menus, making those feel convenient. I'd add that the whole purpose of a restaurant isn't convenience for the customer. That's the purpose of going there for many customers, which should of course be honored. But the purpose of them for restaurateurs are generally on the order of "make an enjoyable living", which involves convenience for them too. As with almost anything social, the outcome must balance the desires of all involved.
        boring_twenties 3y ago
        They don't feel convenient because we grew up on them, they feel convenient because your alternative is obviously and extremely inconvenient.
  - godelski 3y ago
    Businesses Come on, you can get one for under $100
totallywrong 3y ago
I'm one of those customers. QR menus must die.
mcpackieh 3y ago
I'd refuse to touch your phone and insult you for the offer. If you don't have a paper menu the question of me giving you money is already off the table; the food is forgotten and my new mission in your restaurant is to punish you with my vindictive attitude. If enough waitresses complain about obnoxious boomers giving them grief, I think the business owner will eventually wisen up.
- shagie 3y ago
  At The Fish Market, they had menus printed out each day with the current market rates of all the fish that they had and modified it for that day's availability. Each day, they had new paper menus ( https://menucuisine.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/The-Fish-Market-Palo-Alto-Menu-1.jpg https://menucuisine.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/The-Fish-... - note the top) Their menu is now also at https://order.online/store/the-fish-market-palo-alto-723242/?hideModal=true&pickup=true https://order.online/store/the-fish-market-palo-alto-723242/... I'm not sure if they still have paper menus or what the expense of those menus were.
- throwanem 3y ago
  You don't know how the restaurant business works, for one thing. For another, acting like an asshole to waitstaff just makes you look like an asshole, and gratifying yourself in public over your supposedly principled stand in acting like an asshole doubly so. QR code links to menus are bad, sure. I'd still rather eat at ten places that have those than one place that has you.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    > I'd still rather eat at ten places that have those than one place that has you. If my making a scene makes other customers upset, then it's working. I know businesses hate it when people do this, and that's why I know it's an effective tactic. The whole point of the protest is to sabotage the business by making everybody else in the room upset.
    - throwanem 3y ago

by tough 3y ago

Hahahaha I was picturing this idea before asking tbh... We sometimes get some customers who hate the QR's, or claim not having phone/signal/whatever. I'll lend them my phone to check...

arrowsmith 3y ago

Or you could just print a goddamn paper menu?

wpietri 3y ago
Who still has a printer? Maybe they could fax you one instead?
- duckmysick 3y ago
  Print shops. Restaurants already source their materials and equipment from other suppliers. They don't grow their own food; they don't need to print their own menus.
  - wpietri 3y ago
    Sure, the same is true of anything written. But much of that has shifted to digital media because it's more convenient. A print shop has much higher latency and change costs. The newer restaurants in my neighborhood mostly use flexible ways of conveying prices. QR codes, menus on big screens, chalkboards, or computer-printed paper menus on disposable paper.
    - boring_twenties 3y ago
      More convenient for the restaurant, less convenient for the customer. This defeats the whole purpose of a restaurant, which is to be convenient. If I wanted to be inconvenienced I would just buy groceries and cook them at home.
      - wpietri 3y ago
        I don't think it's "the customer". I think it's you and some other folks who are in a relatively narrow customer niche who are very big on convenience and grew up on paper menus, making those feel convenient. I'd add that the whole purpose of a restaurant isn't convenience for the customer. That's the purpose of going there for many customers, which should of course be honored. But the purpose of them for restaurateurs are generally on the order of "make an enjoyable living", which involves convenience for them too. As with almost anything social, the outcome must balance the desires of all involved.
        boring_twenties 3y ago
        They don't feel convenient because we grew up on them, they feel convenient because your alternative is obviously and extremely inconvenient.
- godelski 3y ago
  Businesses Come on, you can get one for under $100

totallywrong 3y ago

I'm one of those customers. QR menus must die.

mcpackieh 3y ago

I'd refuse to touch your phone and insult you for the offer. If you don't have a paper menu the question of me giving you money is already off the table; the food is forgotten and my new mission in your restaurant is to punish you with my vindictive attitude. If enough waitresses complain about obnoxious boomers giving them grief, I think the business owner will eventually wisen up.

shagie 3y ago
At The Fish Market, they had menus printed out each day with the current market rates of all the fish that they had and modified it for that day's availability. Each day, they had new paper menus ( https://menucuisine.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/The-Fish-Market-Palo-Alto-Menu-1.jpg https://menucuisine.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/The-Fish-... - note the top) Their menu is now also at https://order.online/store/the-fish-market-palo-alto-723242/?hideModal=true&pickup=true https://order.online/store/the-fish-market-palo-alto-723242/... I'm not sure if they still have paper menus or what the expense of those menus were.
throwanem 3y ago
You don't know how the restaurant business works, for one thing. For another, acting like an asshole to waitstaff just makes you look like an asshole, and gratifying yourself in public over your supposedly principled stand in acting like an asshole doubly so. QR code links to menus are bad, sure. I'd still rather eat at ten places that have those than one place that has you.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  > I'd still rather eat at ten places that have those than one place that has you. If my making a scene makes other customers upset, then it's working. I know businesses hate it when people do this, and that's why I know it's an effective tactic. The whole point of the protest is to sabotage the business by making everybody else in the room upset.
  - throwanem 3y ago