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Mastodons home page: > Your home feed should be filled with what matters to you most, not what a corporation thinks you should see. Radically different social

by soared 3y ago

Mastodons home page: > Your home feed should be filled with what matters to you most, not what a corporation thinks you should see. Radically different social media, back in the hands of the people. This is ideologically zealotry compared to major platforms.

SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
> This is ideologically zealotry compared to major platforms. Only because our expectations have been so bent out of shape by "major platforms", thus unbending somewhat seems radical in comparison. The mere absence of "what major platforms do" is not IMHO in itself a zealotry.
- Pannoniae 3y ago
  Most Mastodon instances openly ban views they don't like based on "find another instance if you don't like". Other social media also does this but to a lesser degree. The decentralisation also makes it so most places are horrible echo chambers with zero moderation oversight. Sure, I can find an instance which mostly agrees with my views but I don't find much value in "preaching to the choir"...
  - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
    I disagree entirely with the "horrible echo chamber" characterisation. It's usually code for something else. All you're telling me - if this accurately characterises yourself - is that your views are such that most people don't even want to hear them, let alone "mostly agrees with your views", and for once you are shamefully denied a captive audience because mastodon isn't a VC-funded outrage machine. Oh noe. Well, I'm quite happy with this state of affairs. Preach to your choir all you like, I'm sorry that your horrible views are very unpopular, but I don't have to care now. I have freedom of association, it won't arrive in my feed. Wontfix, works as designed.
    - Pannoniae 3y ago
      I think you are being a bit hyperbolic. It's not that I have such extreme views that most (or even a significant) amount of people don't even want to hear them. It's the fact that in most spaces, there are quite a few silent taboos - things which aren't explicitly forbidden but pretty much get you an instant ban. I'm not that socially inept to not realise these things - but that's another thing you have to be mindful of. I also reject the "denied a captive audience" premise because other than HN, I don't really talk in other people's spaces. I have my discord server, that's where I talk most of the time. This is just my observation, it's not a personal grievance about being banned from some of the instances or whatever. That has never happened to me. Sure, Mastodon might work as designed - but I also have the right to disagree with how it works and tell other people my reasons for it. Also, please stop assuming my views are horrible. If you would like to learn more, we can have a chat (I'm fully aware that this offer will be declined; this is just a rhetorical device from my part), but if you don't care, it's only yourself to blame when your echo chamber implodes in a grotesque and macabre way.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
        I'm getting strong vibes of this: > Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views > Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes? > Con: LOL no...no not those views > Me: So....deregulation? > Con: Haha no not those views either > Me: Which views, exactly? > Con: Oh, you know the ones But by all means, let us know which views you have that are "not extreme or horrible" but also "instant ban"
        Pannoniae 3y ago
        For example, if you mention in those right-leaning circles that certain drugs like psychedelics can have a positive effect, they get very angry. Or if you say that children should be capable of making more decisions (medical decisions like transitioning, or freedom to watch media) they'll scream abuse. Or if you express views about social media, certain video games and other forms of media being harmful to society and people, those people will get extremely defensive and horrid. (and say things like "but I enjoy it")

by soared 3y ago

SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago

> This is ideologically zealotry compared to major platforms. Only because our expectations have been so bent out of shape by "major platforms", thus unbending somewhat seems radical in comparison. The mere absence of "what major platforms do" is not IMHO in itself a zealotry.

Pannoniae 3y ago
Most Mastodon instances openly ban views they don't like based on "find another instance if you don't like". Other social media also does this but to a lesser degree. The decentralisation also makes it so most places are horrible echo chambers with zero moderation oversight. Sure, I can find an instance which mostly agrees with my views but I don't find much value in "preaching to the choir"...
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
  I disagree entirely with the "horrible echo chamber" characterisation. It's usually code for something else. All you're telling me - if this accurately characterises yourself - is that your views are such that most people don't even want to hear them, let alone "mostly agrees with your views", and for once you are shamefully denied a captive audience because mastodon isn't a VC-funded outrage machine. Oh noe. Well, I'm quite happy with this state of affairs. Preach to your choir all you like, I'm sorry that your horrible views are very unpopular, but I don't have to care now. I have freedom of association, it won't arrive in my feed. Wontfix, works as designed.
  - Pannoniae 3y ago
    I think you are being a bit hyperbolic. It's not that I have such extreme views that most (or even a significant) amount of people don't even want to hear them. It's the fact that in most spaces, there are quite a few silent taboos - things which aren't explicitly forbidden but pretty much get you an instant ban. I'm not that socially inept to not realise these things - but that's another thing you have to be mindful of. I also reject the "denied a captive audience" premise because other than HN, I don't really talk in other people's spaces. I have my discord server, that's where I talk most of the time. This is just my observation, it's not a personal grievance about being banned from some of the instances or whatever. That has never happened to me. Sure, Mastodon might work as designed - but I also have the right to disagree with how it works and tell other people my reasons for it. Also, please stop assuming my views are horrible. If you would like to learn more, we can have a chat (I'm fully aware that this offer will be declined; this is just a rhetorical device from my part), but if you don't care, it's only yourself to blame when your echo chamber implodes in a grotesque and macabre way.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
      I'm getting strong vibes of this: > Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views > Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes? > Con: LOL no...no not those views > Me: So....deregulation? > Con: Haha no not those views either > Me: Which views, exactly? > Con: Oh, you know the ones But by all means, let us know which views you have that are "not extreme or horrible" but also "instant ban"
      - Pannoniae 3y ago
        For example, if you mention in those right-leaning circles that certain drugs like psychedelics can have a positive effect, they get very angry. Or if you say that children should be capable of making more decisions (medical decisions like transitioning, or freedom to watch media) they'll scream abuse. Or if you express views about social media, certain video games and other forms of media being harmful to society and people, those people will get extremely defensive and horrid. (and say things like "but I enjoy it")