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The reasoning in this article seems specious. Malls and offices are not the locus of the same activities. fwiw I've RTOed for three to four days a week and I lo

by zzzbra 3y ago

The reasoning in this article seems specious. Malls and offices are not the locus of the same activities. fwiw I've RTOed for three to four days a week and I love it. I think it will continue to gain currency with a lot of folks who are serious about their work at companies with other employees who are also serious about their work.

gedy 3y ago
> employees who are also serious about their work. Come on, office attendance is not a sign of being "serious about their work." Farting in an office chair all day is frequently a performance to feel busy or fill other needs in their lives.
- zonkerdonker 3y ago
  I only go into the office when I'm not feeling serious about work. If I have shit to get done, I do it at the place with zero commute time and substantially less distractions. When I'm light, it's nice to go into the office to shoot the shit and hang out with coworkers.
jefftime 3y ago
I don't think RTO and "serious about work" are directly proportional. Some people are much more productive away from a noisy and distractive environment. I think it just depends on the person
- fullspectrumdev 3y ago
  I went back to the office recently for a day, and got literally nothing done. Pretty much all my coworkers also reckon they are much less productive in the office.
foolz 3y ago
So you're saying that people over at companies like Basecamp have never been "serious about their work"? Seems unlikely to me.
mhuffman 3y ago
>I think it will continue to gain currency with a lot of folks who are serious about their work at companies with other employees who are also serious about their work. If your job is not face-to-face with a client/customer, then the only thing you are "serious" about at the office is socializing. That is great if you work with all your friends. If not, you and everyone else there is wasting time. It is simple to have meetings, get instant feedback, ask questions, share data, call, anything really from remote. At one time that was not true, but in 2023 people that are demanding office time are either trying to justify the cost of an office or are micromanagers with some sort of complex.

by zzzbra 3y ago

gedy 3y ago

> employees who are also serious about their work. Come on, office attendance is not a sign of being "serious about their work." Farting in an office chair all day is frequently a performance to feel busy or fill other needs in their lives.

zonkerdonker 3y ago
I only go into the office when I'm not feeling serious about work. If I have shit to get done, I do it at the place with zero commute time and substantially less distractions. When I'm light, it's nice to go into the office to shoot the shit and hang out with coworkers.

jefftime 3y ago

I don't think RTO and "serious about work" are directly proportional. Some people are much more productive away from a noisy and distractive environment. I think it just depends on the person

fullspectrumdev 3y ago
I went back to the office recently for a day, and got literally nothing done. Pretty much all my coworkers also reckon they are much less productive in the office.

foolz 3y ago

So you're saying that people over at companies like Basecamp have never been "serious about their work"? Seems unlikely to me.

mhuffman 3y ago

>I think it will continue to gain currency with a lot of folks who are serious about their work at companies with other employees who are also serious about their work. If your job is not face-to-face with a client/customer, then the only thing you are "serious" about at the office is socializing. That is great if you work with all your friends. If not, you and everyone else there is wasting time. It is simple to have meetings, get instant feedback, ask questions, share data, call, anything really from remote. At one time that was not true, but in 2023 people that are demanding office time are either trying to justify the cost of an office or are micromanagers with some sort of complex.