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> You should see what computers did to take the power away from a lot of labour. Or before that you'd never guess what the tractor did. Remember when the Ox sta

> You should see what computers did to take the power away from a lot of labour. Or before that you'd never guess what the tractor did. Remember when the Ox started ploughing a field rather than people? Why do you think I do not agree that those were also bad. Maybe not as bad, but they all led us here. > Increasing productivity is a great thing. In the US post war environment people shared that increased productivity fairly evenly. It was only once the Regan years arrived that workers in general stopped participating in the boom. What make you think that where we are now is not because we "increased productivity? Have you ever question the need for increased productivity? Who is telling you you need to be more productive? (Let me help you, the people who profit off your labor are telling you to be more productive.)

lotsofpulp 3y ago
> Why do you think I do not agree that those were also bad. Maybe not as bad, but they all led us here. Seems reasonable to assume most people consider advances in healthcare, emergency response, communications, etc that were possible due to computers as “good”. Ditto for the tractor and the ox.
- FollowingTheDao 3y ago
  There are many historical accounts of bad things that came from "most people" thinking something was good. I do not care for the appeal to popularity as my past comments here can testify on their own. These "advances in healthcare" have led to an aging population who are now considered a burden. If there is good there is bad. When you stop seeking the good, you will create no more bad.
midasuni 3y ago
I increase double my productivity and I only have to work 20 hours rather than 40. That’s a good thing, everyone from Marxists to Monopolists agree that it’s good Marxists think the benefits of the increased productivity should go to the labour. Monopolists think it should go to the owners. Im not aware of anyone who thinks it’s better for a human to spend 10 hours work to produce enough food to eat that day rather than 1 hour.
- johnea 3y ago
  As pointed out in previous comments, increases in productivity have not gone to reduce labor hours, only to increase ownership's profits. This is true of the computer, the tractor, the healthcare system, and the loom as made famous by the Luddites. Healthcare in the US leaves more people bankrupt than any other cause while massivley enriching ownership. Tke for example Rick Scott, who was the CEO of Columbia Healthcare during the era in which it was convicted of the largest (at that time) medicare fraud in US history. Then he bacame Florida's governor, and is now a US senator.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

> Why do you think I do not agree that those were also bad. Maybe not as bad, but they all led us here. Seems reasonable to assume most people consider advances in healthcare, emergency response, communications, etc that were possible due to computers as “good”. Ditto for the tractor and the ox.

FollowingTheDao 3y ago
There are many historical accounts of bad things that came from "most people" thinking something was good. I do not care for the appeal to popularity as my past comments here can testify on their own. These "advances in healthcare" have led to an aging population who are now considered a burden. If there is good there is bad. When you stop seeking the good, you will create no more bad.

midasuni 3y ago

I increase double my productivity and I only have to work 20 hours rather than 40. That’s a good thing, everyone from Marxists to Monopolists agree that it’s good Marxists think the benefits of the increased productivity should go to the labour. Monopolists think it should go to the owners. Im not aware of anyone who thinks it’s better for a human to spend 10 hours work to produce enough food to eat that day rather than 1 hour.

johnea 3y ago
As pointed out in previous comments, increases in productivity have not gone to reduce labor hours, only to increase ownership's profits. This is true of the computer, the tractor, the healthcare system, and the loom as made famous by the Luddites. Healthcare in the US leaves more people bankrupt than any other cause while massivley enriching ownership. Tke for example Rick Scott, who was the CEO of Columbia Healthcare during the era in which it was convicted of the largest (at that time) medicare fraud in US history. Then he bacame Florida's governor, and is now a US senator.