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Over 2,000 people died crossing the Mediterranean last year. The nations whose responsibility it would be to help these people have been trying their best to l

by pavlov 3y ago

Over 2,000 people died crossing the Mediterranean last year. The nations whose responsibility it would be to help these people have been trying their best to look the other way. It seems the public expense spent on rescuing those lost at sea is very much in proportion to the net worth of the people in distress.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> nations whose responsibility it would be to help these people Who has this responsibility is at the heart of the controversy.
throwaway6734 3y ago
The issue is significantly more complex than you're making it out to be
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ipaddr 3y ago
Two issues to unpack. The majority of people lost are people doing dangerous things for immigration/money like trying to sail from India to Australia on a plank of wood to get better pay. This was a submarine under water with alive people running out of air. The location was known and people monitoring were able to contact government immediately which gave them a chance. When a piece of wood is used to sail across the ocean and the boat capsizes rescuers don't know the location, no one is monitoring on shore to alert countries and they cannot survive days under water. Rich / poor doesn't play into this but makes a great narrative to sell a story that you bought
- mping 3y ago
  This is the Mediterranean. I am sure most countries know the location of most vessels. If a rich guy would try to cross in wooden plank we would call him adventurer, and I'm sure the effort to rescue him would be far greater. By not saving people in the Mediterranean, it acts as a deterrent to future attempts.
throwaway049 3y ago
Conventions on rescue come from a time when seafarers intended to complete their journeys unaided, not launching with an expectation of needing rescue. The public expense in the Mediterranean sea is very large when you add up diversions of commercial traffic, rescue volunteers funded by donations, national agencies coast guards, and EU Frontex.
brokenkebaby 3y ago
Incorrect claim. These nations actually invest into preventing such risky trips.
hombre_fatal 3y ago
If I decide I don’t want my life in Texas and, for whatever reason, there are better opportunities in Mexico (much better beaches, for example), I should be able to just trek down from Texas and the Mexican people should have to fund my trek and receive me with open arms? Whatever needs to be the case to where my life is better in Mexico, let’s just grant it, like maybe I’m in incel in Texas but not in Mexico where I can start a family with a BBL latina. Bonus if I have to trek through the deserts of Chihuahua because it’s risky? You’re acting like this is obvious to everyone rather than the center of massive controversy.
- pavlov 3y ago
  Sure, it’s a massive controversy. But neither is it a foregone conclusion that public funds should be spent on rescuing billionaires who signed a waiver indicating they understood the risks of taking a dangerous pleasure trip on an uncertified vessel. Some of those who cross the Mediterranean in flimsy boats are adventurers, maybe not so different from the passengers of the Titan. Many others are children and adults trying to escape genuine threats to their lives, and they’d be entitled to refugee protection. Personally I don’t think we should sacrifice the latter to dissuade the former.
JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
Nobody is coming unless you ask for help. Money gives you a huge megaphone to ask for help

by pavlov 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> nations whose responsibility it would be to help these people Who has this responsibility is at the heart of the controversy.

throwaway6734 3y ago

The issue is significantly more complex than you're making it out to be

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ipaddr 3y ago

Two issues to unpack. The majority of people lost are people doing dangerous things for immigration/money like trying to sail from India to Australia on a plank of wood to get better pay. This was a submarine under water with alive people running out of air. The location was known and people monitoring were able to contact government immediately which gave them a chance. When a piece of wood is used to sail across the ocean and the boat capsizes rescuers don't know the location, no one is monitoring on shore to alert countries and they cannot survive days under water. Rich / poor doesn't play into this but makes a great narrative to sell a story that you bought

mping 3y ago
This is the Mediterranean. I am sure most countries know the location of most vessels. If a rich guy would try to cross in wooden plank we would call him adventurer, and I'm sure the effort to rescue him would be far greater. By not saving people in the Mediterranean, it acts as a deterrent to future attempts.

throwaway049 3y ago

Conventions on rescue come from a time when seafarers intended to complete their journeys unaided, not launching with an expectation of needing rescue. The public expense in the Mediterranean sea is very large when you add up diversions of commercial traffic, rescue volunteers funded by donations, national agencies coast guards, and EU Frontex.

brokenkebaby 3y ago

Incorrect claim. These nations actually invest into preventing such risky trips.

hombre_fatal 3y ago

If I decide I don’t want my life in Texas and, for whatever reason, there are better opportunities in Mexico (much better beaches, for example), I should be able to just trek down from Texas and the Mexican people should have to fund my trek and receive me with open arms? Whatever needs to be the case to where my life is better in Mexico, let’s just grant it, like maybe I’m in incel in Texas but not in Mexico where I can start a family with a BBL latina. Bonus if I have to trek through the deserts of Chihuahua because it’s risky? You’re acting like this is obvious to everyone rather than the center of massive controversy.

pavlov 3y ago
Sure, it’s a massive controversy. But neither is it a foregone conclusion that public funds should be spent on rescuing billionaires who signed a waiver indicating they understood the risks of taking a dangerous pleasure trip on an uncertified vessel. Some of those who cross the Mediterranean in flimsy boats are adventurers, maybe not so different from the passengers of the Titan. Many others are children and adults trying to escape genuine threats to their lives, and they’d be entitled to refugee protection. Personally I don’t think we should sacrifice the latter to dissuade the former.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago

Nobody is coming unless you ask for help. Money gives you a huge megaphone to ask for help