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it doesn't matter if the adventurer is wealthy or not, people why take extraordinary risks, should pay their rescue themselves (or have special insurance coveri

it doesn't matter if the adventurer is wealthy or not, people why take extraordinary risks, should pay their rescue themselves (or have special insurance covering that stuff). why does the public have to pay for all those extreme sports people who need rescuing? they obviously should be required to have additional insurance...

wyager 3y ago
People can and do object on ethical and sometimes religious bases when they are forced to buy insurance against their will. An approach that wouldn't force anyone to buy anything and would be socially efficient is to just not send a rescue for people who haven't bought rescue insurance (effectively privatizing rescue, most likely) but this is politically unpalatable for most western cultures - you see the same with medicine. Also, how would requiring insurance for this even work logistically? Do we station cops anywhere a risky activity could conceivably happen? Do we arrest people if we think, post facto, they did something with a risk of rescue (like go on a hike) and didn't buy insurance for it?
watwut 3y ago
In general, those sports do require special insurance. Includes rock climbing in alps - rescue gets really expensive if you do not have it. And second, these rescues are typically cheaper then searching bottom of the sea or moving massive military equipment half the world around without advanced warning. Rescures in these situations simply do not have infinite resources and work with what they have. And third, climbers typically do not try to use the situation to launder liberarian "public sector bad" while being actively rescued by damm military. The company called for help 10 hours after loss of contact, the company made whole series of "yolo" decisions too and then tried to turn the situation against their political enemies... who were just paying their customers rescue.
- tim333 3y ago
  >Includes rock climbing in alps - rescue gets really expensive if you do not have it. Not in France. Not sure which alps are expensive?
  - watwut 3y ago
    Austria, Switzerland, same rules apply for mountains in Slovak Republic. The mountains themselves are not expensive. The expensive part happen when you need rescue after your climbing and don't have insurance. The insurance itself is not expensive and is super easy to get.
teeray 3y ago
NH Fish & Game offers a “Hike Safe” card [0] for $25 ($35 for family) which is approximately an insurance program offered by the state. It acts like a “get out of jail free” card if you need a rescue and are adequately prepared. The funds contribute to the search and rescue fund (along with hunting / fishing licenses / OHRV registrations, which receive the same benefits). [0] http://www.hikesafe.com/ http://www.hikesafe.com/

wyager 3y ago

People can and do object on ethical and sometimes religious bases when they are forced to buy insurance against their will. An approach that wouldn't force anyone to buy anything and would be socially efficient is to just not send a rescue for people who haven't bought rescue insurance (effectively privatizing rescue, most likely) but this is politically unpalatable for most western cultures - you see the same with medicine. Also, how would requiring insurance for this even work logistically? Do we station cops anywhere a risky activity could conceivably happen? Do we arrest people if we think, post facto, they did something with a risk of rescue (like go on a hike) and didn't buy insurance for it?

watwut 3y ago

In general, those sports do require special insurance. Includes rock climbing in alps - rescue gets really expensive if you do not have it. And second, these rescues are typically cheaper then searching bottom of the sea or moving massive military equipment half the world around without advanced warning. Rescures in these situations simply do not have infinite resources and work with what they have. And third, climbers typically do not try to use the situation to launder liberarian "public sector bad" while being actively rescued by damm military. The company called for help 10 hours after loss of contact, the company made whole series of "yolo" decisions too and then tried to turn the situation against their political enemies... who were just paying their customers rescue.

tim333 3y ago
>Includes rock climbing in alps - rescue gets really expensive if you do not have it. Not in France. Not sure which alps are expensive?
- watwut 3y ago
  Austria, Switzerland, same rules apply for mountains in Slovak Republic. The mountains themselves are not expensive. The expensive part happen when you need rescue after your climbing and don't have insurance. The insurance itself is not expensive and is super easy to get.

teeray 3y ago

NH Fish & Game offers a “Hike Safe” card [0] for $25 ($35 for family) which is approximately an insurance program offered by the state. It acts like a “get out of jail free” card if you need a rescue and are adequately prepared. The funds contribute to the search and rescue fund (along with hunting / fishing licenses / OHRV registrations, which receive the same benefits). [0] http://www.hikesafe.com/ http://www.hikesafe.com/