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> Turns out the PM didn't read their minds correctly that's what frustrating. why should the engineer ask the pm to ask the product owners to flesh things out
by 5350-uiop-1130 3y ago
> Turns out the PM didn't read their minds correctly
that's what frustrating. why should the engineer ask the pm to ask the product owners to flesh things out.
pm has a responsibility to understand product requirement fully - outside of technical limitations. otherwise they are just a glorified middle man. just let the engineer speak to the product owner.
this is why i say don't expect engineer to answer questions that were not asked. why should we take that burden and blame.
consider the engineer as someone providing a service, like someone else commented "outsourcing to india" - yes in a way you are outsourcing to an engineer in your team.
if a PM doesn't understand a project, then why are they managing it. they should be title "email or communication facilitator" or something like that instead.
- rockemsockem 3y agoWho is the product owner if they aren't on the engineering team or product management team!?
- 5350-uiop-1130 3y agoengineering is a service. like QA. you would never say QA is product owner. right? PM is the product owner by proxy for the stakeholders.
- rockemsockem 3y agoSo you're saying that there should be someone between PM and the customers? That's just way too much indirection IMO. Also engineering has not been "a service" anywhere I've worked and engineering typically has done QA as well, without an independent team. Product owner is whoever is ultimately responsible for what the product will do. Often it's PM, but on a lot of teams it makes sense for it to be engineering, especially if it's a product for other engineers.