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Those phones were not water resistant. While maybe not important to some, to others it is

by mvanbaak 3y ago

vladvasiliu 3y ago
The Galaxy S5 was IP67 rated. The back cover could be opened with just a fingernail.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Only if the rubber port was on the port. Not exactly engineering excellence.
  - vladvasiliu 3y ago
    Right. Although there wasn't any cover on the headphones jack, and apparently newer phones can have waterproof open ports. Engineering excellence or not, the fact is that that old phone was both weatherproof and had an easily replaceable battery.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      Don’t you think “only if the port was covered” and if the battery and the cover were put back just right are big caveats?
      - vladvasiliu 3y ago
        I don't know what you mean by "just right" for the cover. I just clipped it back on, without taking any special precautions, and it seemed fine under heavy rain. Granted, I didn't try throwing it in a pool, though, so I don't know if it would have survived that. Furthermore, the port cover was just in the way if I didn't clip it back in, so I always did, and, as above, never had any issue. While I agree that I much prefer not having an USB port cover, I think that's pretty much a solved issue, seeing how my iphone 7 didn't have one and survived just fine in a downpour. My point is that it is absolutely possible to have an easily replaceable battery while keeping the phone waterproof.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-s5-smartphone,3908-3.html https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-s5-smart... > After every charge and boot sequence, the phone reminds the user to preserve the IP67 rating by securing the back cover and making sure the USB flap is closed. This reminder gets old fast, but is necessary considering how rushed and absentminded people can be On top of that, to get a reputable battery for it that includes NFC support (because the NFC was built into the battery) was not that much cheaper than just taking an iPhone to an authorized dealer for replacement.
        vladvasiliu 3y ago
        > > After every charge and boot sequence, the phone reminds the user to preserve the IP67 rating by securing the back cover and making sure the USB flap is closed. This reminder gets old fast, but is necessary considering how rushed and absentminded people can be So because some people are absent-minded and don't pay attention to what they do (and it's not like you need to take off the cover every day and twice on Sunday), we should all suffer the consequences? Don't quite like that mindset. > On top of that, to get a reputable battery for it that includes NFC support (because the NFC was built into the battery) was not that much cheaper than just taking an iPhone to an authorized dealer for replacement. This is correct. A Samsung battery from a reputable store in France cost approximately the same as a replacement for my iPhone 7. Maybe a bit more, accounting for inflation. But the experience of having my iPhone battery replaced was ridiculously bad. I had an appointment for the service, booked through the Apple website for a "certified" repair shop. Still had to wait in line for 30 minutes before I could drop off my phone. They required me to give them the phone's password for some reason, which required me to remove apple pay and whatnot from the phone before going into the store, then put it back on once I had my phone back. After taking in the phone for repair, they figured it would take about 6 hours, so they'd let me know it was done by... SMS. Right. So, I asked them to give me a time when they'd be sure it'd be done, since my phone would be with them. I come back at the agreed time, to wait for another 20 minutes in line. The Samsung experience was walk in the store, ask the attendant where their batteries were, wait 5 minutes for him to grab it from stock (it wasn't a current model anymore at that time), go to the cashier, pay, pop the cover, switch batteries, put cover back, done. So yeah, the issue is absolutely not one of price, but of convenience. Note that I could have bought two batteries and had a spare one when needed on my motorbike trips, instead of carrying an external battery pack or whatever.
adhvaryu 3y ago
> Those phones were not water resistant. And it's 10 years later in 2023. If Apple/other big companies want to they can do R&D and come up with waterproof+dustptoof solutions. Let's face it, they don't want to because it sells more phones.

Those phones were not water resistant. While maybe not important to some, to others it is

vladvasiliu 3y ago

The Galaxy S5 was IP67 rated. The back cover could be opened with just a fingernail.

scarface_74 3y ago
Only if the rubber port was on the port. Not exactly engineering excellence.
- vladvasiliu 3y ago
  Right. Although there wasn't any cover on the headphones jack, and apparently newer phones can have waterproof open ports. Engineering excellence or not, the fact is that that old phone was both weatherproof and had an easily replaceable battery.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Don’t you think “only if the port was covered” and if the battery and the cover were put back just right are big caveats?
    - vladvasiliu 3y ago
      I don't know what you mean by "just right" for the cover. I just clipped it back on, without taking any special precautions, and it seemed fine under heavy rain. Granted, I didn't try throwing it in a pool, though, so I don't know if it would have survived that. Furthermore, the port cover was just in the way if I didn't clip it back in, so I always did, and, as above, never had any issue. While I agree that I much prefer not having an USB port cover, I think that's pretty much a solved issue, seeing how my iphone 7 didn't have one and survived just fine in a downpour. My point is that it is absolutely possible to have an easily replaceable battery while keeping the phone waterproof.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-s5-smartphone,3908-3.html https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-s5-smart... > After every charge and boot sequence, the phone reminds the user to preserve the IP67 rating by securing the back cover and making sure the USB flap is closed. This reminder gets old fast, but is necessary considering how rushed and absentminded people can be On top of that, to get a reputable battery for it that includes NFC support (because the NFC was built into the battery) was not that much cheaper than just taking an iPhone to an authorized dealer for replacement.
        vladvasiliu 3y ago
        > > After every charge and boot sequence, the phone reminds the user to preserve the IP67 rating by securing the back cover and making sure the USB flap is closed. This reminder gets old fast, but is necessary considering how rushed and absentminded people can be So because some people are absent-minded and don't pay attention to what they do (and it's not like you need to take off the cover every day and twice on Sunday), we should all suffer the consequences? Don't quite like that mindset. > On top of that, to get a reputable battery for it that includes NFC support (because the NFC was built into the battery) was not that much cheaper than just taking an iPhone to an authorized dealer for replacement. This is correct. A Samsung battery from a reputable store in France cost approximately the same as a replacement for my iPhone 7. Maybe a bit more, accounting for inflation. But the experience of having my iPhone battery replaced was ridiculously bad. I had an appointment for the service, booked through the Apple website for a "certified" repair shop. Still had to wait in line for 30 minutes before I could drop off my phone. They required me to give them the phone's password for some reason, which required me to remove apple pay and whatnot from the phone before going into the store, then put it back on once I had my phone back. After taking in the phone for repair, they figured it would take about 6 hours, so they'd let me know it was done by... SMS. Right. So, I asked them to give me a time when they'd be sure it'd be done, since my phone would be with them. I come back at the agreed time, to wait for another 20 minutes in line. The Samsung experience was walk in the store, ask the attendant where their batteries were, wait 5 minutes for him to grab it from stock (it wasn't a current model anymore at that time), go to the cashier, pay, pop the cover, switch batteries, put cover back, done. So yeah, the issue is absolutely not one of price, but of convenience. Note that I could have bought two batteries and had a spare one when needed on my motorbike trips, instead of carrying an external battery pack or whatever.

adhvaryu 3y ago

> Those phones were not water resistant. And it's 10 years later in 2023. If Apple/other big companies want to they can do R&D and come up with waterproof+dustptoof solutions. Let's face it, they don't want to because it sells more phones.