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"There's nothing suboptimal about a stable same-sex family for raising children." Seriously? You don't see any value in having both a male parent and a female

by axod 18y ago

"There's nothing suboptimal about a stable same-sex family for raising children." Seriously? You don't see any value in having both a male parent and a female parent?

tptacek 18y ago
Well, I'm a male parent in a stable, conventionally-married Catholic two-parent family. Do my kids get value from being raised by Erin? Yes. For one thing, they eat yogurt; for another thing, they can dress themselves. Do they get value from me? Yes. For instance, I am good at making pancakes. Is there some huge man-woman socio-cultural hoo-hah I'm missing about what our relationship imparts on our children that would be dramatically different if I was replaced with an equally loving woman? Perhaps the pancakes would become crepes (though I'm good at that too). The whole of western civilization shudders. There might be a real argument you have to make, axod, but you have to actually make it. Innuendo doesn't cut it.
- axod 18y ago
  What??? Look into how badly boys do at school when there teachers are female - or how badly girls do when their teachers are men. The evidence is that neither do well in those circumstances. Women and men are very very very different thank goodness. If you're missing out on either of them, you're missing out on a complete other world.
  - azanar 18y ago
    Source, please. Just from my own anecdotal evidence, my ability to learn from a teacher was based far more on their knowledge and passion than their genitalia.
    - axod 18y ago
      Erm. So you believe the only difference between women and men is their genitalia? What planet are you from? You've never seen any evidence of their thought processes being different, their completely different logic, social skills, spacial awareness etc? I'm sorry but if you believe that you're blind, or really haven't lived. Your statement sums up what is wrong with the political correctness/equality mob. Men and women are not equal. They will never be. Thank goodness. Celebrate the differences. Embrace them. Don't just blindly pretend they don't exist.
      - tptacek 18y ago
        You were asked for evidence for an assertion you made that boys behave worse in classes with female teachers, and that girls behave worse in classes with male teachers. Put up or shut up, axod.
        axod 18y ago
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14546994/?GT1=8404 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14546994/?GT1=8404 http://www.menteach.org/news/its_not_who_but_how_boys_are_taught http://www.menteach.org/news/its_not_who_but_how_boys_are_ta... http://www.nowpublic.com/world/boys-taught-men-do-better-study-finds http://www.nowpublic.com/world/boys-taught-men-do-better-stu... http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/sep/30/primaryschools.malerolemodels http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/sep/30/primaryschoo... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/5294854.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/5294854.stm "A study of 25,000 pupils by Stanford University economist Thomas Dee found children did 4% better in tests when their teachers were of the same sex" "In general, girls learned more with female teachers and boys with male teachers" "A large fraction of boys' dramatic underperformance in reading is linked to the fact that their reading teachers are overwhelmingly female," Dee concludes. There are a large number of similar studies with similar results.
        tptacek 18y ago
        Think you might be able to do better than one "controversial" study published by the conservative Hoover Institution by a visiting Swarthmore associate professor, an unpublished survey taken by a private consultancy in the UK, and an opinion poll in the UK?
        axod 18y ago
        Well, you seem to want to believe women and men are exactly the same, so you go on believing that. My experience, including my kids experience of various teachers, is that they are not. Of course it's a "controversial" study - it highlights differences between the sexes. Which isn't "cool" in this politically correct age.

by axod 18y ago

"There's nothing suboptimal about a stable same-sex family for raising children." Seriously? You don't see any value in having both a male parent and a female parent?

tptacek 18y ago

Well, I'm a male parent in a stable, conventionally-married Catholic two-parent family. Do my kids get value from being raised by Erin? Yes. For one thing, they eat yogurt; for another thing, they can dress themselves. Do they get value from me? Yes. For instance, I am good at making pancakes. Is there some huge man-woman socio-cultural hoo-hah I'm missing about what our relationship imparts on our children that would be dramatically different if I was replaced with an equally loving woman? Perhaps the pancakes would become crepes (though I'm good at that too). The whole of western civilization shudders. There might be a real argument you have to make, axod, but you have to actually make it. Innuendo doesn't cut it.

axod 18y ago
What??? Look into how badly boys do at school when there teachers are female - or how badly girls do when their teachers are men. The evidence is that neither do well in those circumstances. Women and men are very very very different thank goodness. If you're missing out on either of them, you're missing out on a complete other world.
- azanar 18y ago
  Source, please. Just from my own anecdotal evidence, my ability to learn from a teacher was based far more on their knowledge and passion than their genitalia.
  - axod 18y ago
    Erm. So you believe the only difference between women and men is their genitalia? What planet are you from? You've never seen any evidence of their thought processes being different, their completely different logic, social skills, spacial awareness etc? I'm sorry but if you believe that you're blind, or really haven't lived. Your statement sums up what is wrong with the political correctness/equality mob. Men and women are not equal. They will never be. Thank goodness. Celebrate the differences. Embrace them. Don't just blindly pretend they don't exist.
    - tptacek 18y ago
      You were asked for evidence for an assertion you made that boys behave worse in classes with female teachers, and that girls behave worse in classes with male teachers. Put up or shut up, axod.
      - axod 18y ago
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14546994/?GT1=8404 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14546994/?GT1=8404 http://www.menteach.org/news/its_not_who_but_how_boys_are_taught http://www.menteach.org/news/its_not_who_but_how_boys_are_ta... http://www.nowpublic.com/world/boys-taught-men-do-better-study-finds http://www.nowpublic.com/world/boys-taught-men-do-better-stu... http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/sep/30/primaryschools.malerolemodels http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/sep/30/primaryschoo... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/5294854.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/5294854.stm "A study of 25,000 pupils by Stanford University economist Thomas Dee found children did 4% better in tests when their teachers were of the same sex" "In general, girls learned more with female teachers and boys with male teachers" "A large fraction of boys' dramatic underperformance in reading is linked to the fact that their reading teachers are overwhelmingly female," Dee concludes. There are a large number of similar studies with similar results.
        tptacek 18y ago
        Think you might be able to do better than one "controversial" study published by the conservative Hoover Institution by a visiting Swarthmore associate professor, an unpublished survey taken by a private consultancy in the UK, and an opinion poll in the UK?
        axod 18y ago
        Well, you seem to want to believe women and men are exactly the same, so you go on believing that. My experience, including my kids experience of various teachers, is that they are not. Of course it's a "controversial" study - it highlights differences between the sexes. Which isn't "cool" in this politically correct age.