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You are theoretically correct, but in this specific case name of PMC Wagner was taken by association with Nazi and founder of PMC is neonazi. 88 in Russia means
by ivan_gammel 3y ago
You are theoretically correct, but in this specific case name of PMC Wagner was taken by association with Nazi and founder of PMC is neonazi. 88 in Russia means the same as in all white supremacist groups — Hitlergrüß (HH).
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Walerjewitsch_Utkin https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Walerjewitsch_Utkin
- skissane 3y agoIt is interesting to compare the German Wikipedia and the English Wikipedia articles on him – both cite some of the same sources, but German Wikipedia presents it as conclusive "he's a Nazi", the English Wikipedia article says "sources X, Y, Z have alleged he is a Nazi due to reasons P, Q, R", but leaves it up to the reader to decide if those sources and their reasons are convincing. Also, "88 = Heil Hitler" doesn't make a lot of sense in Russian, since H is not the 8th letter of the Russian alphabet (it is Ж, normally transliterated as zh), and "Heil Hitler" in Russian is хайль гитлер – х is the 20th letter of the Russian alphabet not the 8th.
- neoromantique 3y ago> Also, "88 = Heil Hitler" doesn't make a lot of sense in Russian 14/88 doesn't make a lot of sense in Russian, doesn't stop it from being plastered all over the place by different militias (Including, but not limited to, Wagner).
- ivan_gammel 3y agoAs someone who knows Russian international politics and subcultures well I can tell you that German wiki is correct and that Russian nazi do know Latin alphabet. I knew some Russian skinheads with 14/88 tattoos and it meant for them exactly the same as for neonazi elsewhere in Europe or USA.