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Another link: https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-releases/article/eu-member-states-show-dangerous-disregard-for-media-freedom-principl

by msla 3y ago

Another link: https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-releases/article/eu-member-states-show-dangerous-disregard-for-media-freedom-principles https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-... > The Council reached an agreement on 21 June 2023 on the much-needed European Media Freedom Act, a legislation proposed by the European Commission on 16 September 2022 with the intention to introduce safeguards against political interference, media concentration, and to protect journalists and their sources against surveillance. Since then, the IFJ and EFJ have been advocating for strong and effective regulation to respond to the numerous threats posed to media freedom in the EU. > However, earlier this month, France introduced a new exception to the general ban on deploying spyware against journalists. It reads that the provisions on effective protection of journalistic sources “is without prejudice to the Member States’ responsibility for safeguarding national security”.

jasonvorhe 3y ago
If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?
- mhoad 3y ago
  You might want to actually go and read a few things about how they differ before making such uninformed statements.
  - rmbyrro 3y ago
    Uninformed statements aren't necessarily idiotic, and even if they were, we don't need to call it as such to express disagreement.
    - mhoad 3y ago
      This is very much civility for the sake of civility which is not without problems but is the culture here. Editing the post to remove the word idiotic and replace with uninformed.
  - hulitu 3y ago
    There are people who know them from reality, not from some book sponsored by the CIA.
    - mhoad 3y ago
      What are you even talking about? Be specific rather than tossing around vague insinuations.
- LatteLazy 3y ago
  Realpolitik. China and Russia that supply us with gas and cheap plastic and do as they're told are fine. A china or Russia that don't do as they're told must be dealt with. No amount of democracy or freedom or lawful behavior changes that. That's why we did nothing to make Russia open and democratic and part of a global future, when they literally begged us to.
  - jasonvorhe 3y ago
    Multi-polarity is already happening, there's not a lot the West can do to change that.
    - LatteLazy 3y ago
      I don't know, it isn't going great for Russia. The US has pretty successfully isolated them and they're stuck in a pointless meat grinder war-for-nothing in Ukraine. We will see what happens with China, personally I don't fancy their chances either. They're boxed in pretty effectively in most directions and reliant on US trade (and debt). We will see...
- Eumenes 3y ago
  The intelligence agencies and military need to stay busy and gain practical experience, if there is some sort of real conflict. Civilian life doesn't really afford them that opportunity. There are many anecdotes throughout history of comfortable empires falling from lack of experience in the field. Proxy wars and espionage campaigns are good practice, probably the best you'll get in the 21st century (so far).
  - jasonvorhe 3y ago
    Sure, they're basically building up their own enemies only to then either suffer the blowback or fight and disarm them.

by msla 3y ago

jasonvorhe 3y ago

If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?

mhoad 3y ago
You might want to actually go and read a few things about how they differ before making such uninformed statements.
- rmbyrro 3y ago
  Uninformed statements aren't necessarily idiotic, and even if they were, we don't need to call it as such to express disagreement.
  - mhoad 3y ago
    This is very much civility for the sake of civility which is not without problems but is the culture here. Editing the post to remove the word idiotic and replace with uninformed.
- hulitu 3y ago
  There are people who know them from reality, not from some book sponsored by the CIA.
  - mhoad 3y ago
    What are you even talking about? Be specific rather than tossing around vague insinuations.
LatteLazy 3y ago
Realpolitik. China and Russia that supply us with gas and cheap plastic and do as they're told are fine. A china or Russia that don't do as they're told must be dealt with. No amount of democracy or freedom or lawful behavior changes that. That's why we did nothing to make Russia open and democratic and part of a global future, when they literally begged us to.
- jasonvorhe 3y ago
  Multi-polarity is already happening, there's not a lot the West can do to change that.
  - LatteLazy 3y ago
    I don't know, it isn't going great for Russia. The US has pretty successfully isolated them and they're stuck in a pointless meat grinder war-for-nothing in Ukraine. We will see what happens with China, personally I don't fancy their chances either. They're boxed in pretty effectively in most directions and reliant on US trade (and debt). We will see...
Eumenes 3y ago
The intelligence agencies and military need to stay busy and gain practical experience, if there is some sort of real conflict. Civilian life doesn't really afford them that opportunity. There are many anecdotes throughout history of comfortable empires falling from lack of experience in the field. Proxy wars and espionage campaigns are good practice, probably the best you'll get in the 21st century (so far).
- jasonvorhe 3y ago
  Sure, they're basically building up their own enemies only to then either suffer the blowback or fight and disarm them.