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US - build roads everywhere whether it makes sense or not. US - build houses such that every individual needs a car. US - build everything far away from each

by screye 3y ago

US - build roads everywhere whether it makes sense or not. US - build houses such that every individual needs a car. US - build everything far away from each other so that each road gets a ton of mileage. ...... Also US - ours roads are crumbling and underfunded ! An obese man who eats 10000 calories a day will feel underfed if they don't get all 10000. But the lack of food is hardly the problem....

quesera 3y ago
Which part of the very large country would you move all the people to, in order to achieve the density required to reduce the need for roads?
- Zircom 3y ago
  80% of our population lives in 3% of the land area. So no need to move anybody. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2017/08/rural-america.html#:~:text=Urban%20areas%20make%20up%20only,80%20percent%20of%20the%20population https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2017/08/rural-america....
  - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
    1. 3% of the 4th largest country is still a lot of area, almost the size of many European countries (and those still have a lot of roads for rural transport last time I checked) 2. The other 20% don't matter?
    - screye 3y ago
      The US still has terrible public transport and densification in cities well suited for it. SF, Atlanta and Seattle grew rapidly in the last few decades. None of them have taken advantage of this demand to build transit or transit suitable housing. Instead, new sprawling suburbs are the only form of infrastructure that gets funded. All while the central arterial roads (101, 280, i5, i90 etc) get more and more crowded. Existing dense cities also have subpar public transit. The NYC metro area falls short of metro areas of Tokyo, Paris or London. Boston, Philly, DC and Miami can't make it to the leaderboard when compared to any peer European city of similar density. Not even going to mention China whose tier 2 cities embarrass tier 1 American cities. > The other 20% don't matter? Only as much as rural areas anywhere in the world. Just because you have to use cars in rural areas, doesn't mean there should be a red carpet highway dropping cars to the middle of Manhattan. These are different worlds. Changing 1 doesn't affect the other.
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
Perfect, lets build a train track or bus route to every house! In your world, do disabled folks, children, elderly not exist? > An obese man who eats 10000 calories a day will feel underfed if they don't get all 10000. But the lack of food is hardly the problem.... Great insight and source of data. Let me also provide some data. https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/feder https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/feder... Federal spending on transportation is just at 2% compared to Social Security (15%), Medicare (12%), Income Security (14%), etc. That 2% includes spending on all forms of transportation.

by screye 3y ago

quesera 3y ago

Which part of the very large country would you move all the people to, in order to achieve the density required to reduce the need for roads?

Zircom 3y ago
80% of our population lives in 3% of the land area. So no need to move anybody. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2017/08/rural-america.html#:~:text=Urban%20areas%20make%20up%20only,80%20percent%20of%20the%20population https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2017/08/rural-america....
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago
  1. 3% of the 4th largest country is still a lot of area, almost the size of many European countries (and those still have a lot of roads for rural transport last time I checked) 2. The other 20% don't matter?
  - screye 3y ago
    The US still has terrible public transport and densification in cities well suited for it. SF, Atlanta and Seattle grew rapidly in the last few decades. None of them have taken advantage of this demand to build transit or transit suitable housing. Instead, new sprawling suburbs are the only form of infrastructure that gets funded. All while the central arterial roads (101, 280, i5, i90 etc) get more and more crowded. Existing dense cities also have subpar public transit. The NYC metro area falls short of metro areas of Tokyo, Paris or London. Boston, Philly, DC and Miami can't make it to the leaderboard when compared to any peer European city of similar density. Not even going to mention China whose tier 2 cities embarrass tier 1 American cities. > The other 20% don't matter? Only as much as rural areas anywhere in the world. Just because you have to use cars in rural areas, doesn't mean there should be a red carpet highway dropping cars to the middle of Manhattan. These are different worlds. Changing 1 doesn't affect the other.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

Perfect, lets build a train track or bus route to every house! In your world, do disabled folks, children, elderly not exist? > An obese man who eats 10000 calories a day will feel underfed if they don't get all 10000. But the lack of food is hardly the problem.... Great insight and source of data. Let me also provide some data. https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/feder https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/feder... Federal spending on transportation is just at 2% compared to Social Security (15%), Medicare (12%), Income Security (14%), etc. That 2% includes spending on all forms of transportation.