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> To be strictly accurate, Germany doesn’t have a constitution since a constitution must be voted in directly by the German people according to the Grundegesetz

> To be strictly accurate, Germany doesn’t have a constitution since a constitution must be voted in directly by the German people according to the Grundegesetz. yawn Not this argument again. It has been refuted time and again: https://anwaltauskunft.de/magazin/gesellschaft/staat-behoerden/ist-das-deutsche-grundgesetz-eine-echte-verfassung https://anwaltauskunft.de/magazin/gesellschaft/staat-behoerd...

dghlsakjg 3y ago
I’m not saying that it doesn’t act or serve in the same capacity as a constitution, all I’m saying is that it is, strictly speaking, not a constitution, by its own definition of a constitution. I don’t speak German, so I can’t comment on the argument in your link. To the best of my understanding: the document itself defines what a constitution would be, and lays out the requirements for ratifying it, which haven’t been met. I would appreciate if you could clarify for my own knowledge, but please don’t bother if you are going to add sarcastic comments like “yawn”
- detaro 3y ago
  > the document itself defines what a constitution would be, and lays out the requirements for ratifying it, which haven’t been met. It does neither, no. It states the requirements under which it can (not must) be replaced, and it's a favorite party trick of people trying to delegitimize Germany to pretend that somehow means the current state isn't legitimate.
  - cycomanic 3y ago
    While I disagree with the idiots arguing that the BRD is not a legitimate state, I have to say the linked document somewhat skirts the issue that the members of the Parlamentarische Rat indeed considered that there should be a new constitution which should be voted on by the people after the reunification. The fact that this did not happen was the subject of significant debate and in the view of many at the time a missed democratic opportunity.
- codethief 3y ago
  My apologies for my reaction; I was under the impression you might be a member of the far-right Reichsbürger movement who are maintaining that the current German federal republic is illegitimate and US-controlled, the Grundgesetz is not a valid constitution and therefore Germany "does not exist" (whatever that means), et cetera.
  - dghlsakjg 3y ago
    Ah! No worries. I’m not trying to pretend that Germany isn’t a real country. I just see it as an interesting side effect of history.

dghlsakjg 3y ago

I’m not saying that it doesn’t act or serve in the same capacity as a constitution, all I’m saying is that it is, strictly speaking, not a constitution, by its own definition of a constitution. I don’t speak German, so I can’t comment on the argument in your link. To the best of my understanding: the document itself defines what a constitution would be, and lays out the requirements for ratifying it, which haven’t been met. I would appreciate if you could clarify for my own knowledge, but please don’t bother if you are going to add sarcastic comments like “yawn”

detaro 3y ago
> the document itself defines what a constitution would be, and lays out the requirements for ratifying it, which haven’t been met. It does neither, no. It states the requirements under which it can (not must) be replaced, and it's a favorite party trick of people trying to delegitimize Germany to pretend that somehow means the current state isn't legitimate.
- cycomanic 3y ago
  While I disagree with the idiots arguing that the BRD is not a legitimate state, I have to say the linked document somewhat skirts the issue that the members of the Parlamentarische Rat indeed considered that there should be a new constitution which should be voted on by the people after the reunification. The fact that this did not happen was the subject of significant debate and in the view of many at the time a missed democratic opportunity.
codethief 3y ago
My apologies for my reaction; I was under the impression you might be a member of the far-right Reichsbürger movement who are maintaining that the current German federal republic is illegitimate and US-controlled, the Grundgesetz is not a valid constitution and therefore Germany "does not exist" (whatever that means), et cetera.
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  Ah! No worries. I’m not trying to pretend that Germany isn’t a real country. I just see it as an interesting side effect of history.