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Unless China and India cut emissions drastically it’s a drop in the ocean. There should be tariffs on the biggest emitters to the point where they can’t afford
by billti 3y ago
Unless China and India cut emissions drastically it’s a drop in the ocean. There should be tariffs on the biggest emitters to the point where they can’t afford to NOT cut emissions if they want to trade good and services.
- throwsway 3y agoChina and India's per capita emissions are about ten times lesser than Americans. Americans should stop driving bulldozers instead of blaming the poor
- decremental 3y ago[dead]
- nborwankar 3y agoPer capita emissions are a distraction. The earth’s atmosphere doesn’t care how many people were involved. What matters is total emissions. On that front China leads by a factor of 4 or 5 over India and the U.S. which are roughly the same.
- burkaman 3y agoThe atmosphere also doesn't care which governments are involved, or who is "leading". We need all the emissions to stop, this announcement is about 7.5% of the total which is quite significant. 12 more of those and we're done.
- billti 3y agoI thought China and India were still increasing quite rapidly (I could be wrong). Unless they start going the other way, that 7% will be less than the growth from others, so no closer to 0 globally.
- throwsway 3y ago[flagged]
- pier25 3y agoPer capita emissions are a good indicator of the lifestyle of a country. Total country emissions are an indicator of population and lifestyle. Since reducing the population is not an option for most countries, the solution is changing lifestyle.
- HDMI_Cable 3y agoThen again, the US having a much higher emissions per capita assumes that with comparatively much less effort, we can reduce our emission than India or China. For us, reducing our emissions by 10% would mean driving less, eat less beef, investing in new technologies, etc., while for India and China that would mean overturning years of industrialization. While I do agree that both need to reduce emissions, we need to endure inconveniences and move our tax dollars to clean energy, while they have to continue being poor forever or spend inordinate amounts of money to industrialize using clean energy.
- burkaman 3y agoEU is about 7.5% of global emissions, I'd call that a lot more than a drop. Also, one of the "main areas of action" here is "carbon duty on certain imported goods", which is quite close to what you're asking for.
- tredre3 3y agoIf we do as you say, then goods production will need to shift to the West. China and India will become a drop in the ocean, and we'll be the biggest polluters by far. How about we stop acting as if the West wasn't just shifting pollution onto poorer nations by exploiting them as factories and landfills?
- akmarinov 3y agoChina’s already all in on renewables, it helps that they’re the cheapest option right now The US really needs to step up though, they’re not even in the Paris agreement
- thoughtstheseus 3y agoThe U.S. rejoined in 2021
- MagnumOpus 3y agoChina is not all in on renewables, they are all in on growth at any cost. They started 50GW of coal power plant construction last year, six times more than the entire rest of the world combined… (And even at a third the GDP per capital, Chinese carbon emissions per capita surpass the likes of Germany, let alone France.)
- lm28469 3y agoThen take back all the polluting industries you off shored to China because otherwise you can say good bye to 50-70% of the things around you
- tourmalinetaco 3y agoAnd that’s the key here. It’s easy to meet “climate goals” when you offshore production to countries with zero pollution laws.