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With so much nukes Russia has, I am wondering if the US' export of instability to the border of a country that has more nukes that the US really worth it. I als

With so much nukes Russia has, I am wondering if the US' export of instability to the border of a country that has more nukes that the US really worth it. I also understand that lots of folks see it as "export of democracy" and gonna hate the comment. But what you gonna say on the first nuke use? Second, third?

okaram 3y ago
If you believe this started as the US doing anything, I have a bridge (or an LLM) to sell you ... The US (and the West) reacted to Putin's invasion of Ukraine. I think they've done an amazing job given the horrible starting premise. Still, they're trying to achieve balance and many things can go wrong. Do you believe letting Russia take over Ukraine (or half of it) was a better option? Or getting NATO directly involved?
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lm28469 3y ago
Russia declares war on Ukraine and it's the US fault ? ok With your logic would you surrender the entire US to Putin ? After one nuke ? two nukes ?
- RomanPushkin 3y ago
  "If we’re intelligent thinkers, we’ll study to understand the reasons for Russia doing what they did, even if we personally don’t agree with it. We’ll have come to this opinion not by viewing (censored) Google searches, but by exploring history through the independent media, not the mainstream narrative. I’ve known Russian and Ukrainian people, and don’t want anyone to die. But, just like you learned in grade school, why is America the world’s police? Why don’t you protest the military industrial complex Dwight Eisenhower warned us about? Why not protest the fact that we have about 700 military bases? That’s not national defense, that’s offense. I can go on, but you have two radio shows where you can discuss politics. Why put it in the magazine too? Maybe start a political podcast and keep the magazine for unbiased hacker information that hackers of all countries can read. Why keep writing editorials about fighting something you’ll never change or win? You wrote yourself, the system is broken. I can agree with that. Emmanuel Goldstein is a character in 1984. In that book, George Orwell teaches us about an evil, all-controlling government. By writing so adamantly about a few government topics, and taking a side on this or that trendy cause, you’re missing the bigger picture. You’re missing the forest for a few trees. Economically, if the federal government dismantled itself to the bare essentials (national defense, not offense), those people and resources will move to the private sector, allowing more innovation without the burden of the cost of big government. Studies and history have proven that increased surveillance and loss of freedom have not stopped terrorists, as shown in Boston, Paris, and all the beheading videos on the Dark Web. Americans should fix things at home before we go running around the world spreading our agenda. Instead of fixing a broken system, we have to start over. We should read history and remember the values the country was founded on, which are individual freedom and liberty, not satisfying groups of people at the expense of that individual freedom and liberty." (2600 recent volume, page 22)
  - lm28469 3y ago
    Yeah sure, for 95% of US involved conflicts your comment makes sense. For Ukraine it doesn't
    - RomanPushkin 3y ago
      My friend, I'm from Ukraine myself (Berdychiv) with roots in both countries, and I can tell you your comment doesn't make sense. I inherited apartment in Kiev which I was hoping to use for retirement, but I won't be able to go there because of somebody decided to claim their rights on the country. My pacifist nature wanted to leave in peace, and now I don't know who to blame: east, west, Putin, Zelensky, US, Russia. My family has been affected, and you're telling me my comment doesn't make sense... My comment makes sense, because now I personally can understand what happened to those millions civilians in the Middle East. I hope you understand that I am not asking you to _change_ your point of view, and I do not insist that my comment is correct, and your comment doesn't make any sense. All I recommend is to think critically, try to understand one small little person online, real one, regardless of what western/eastern propaganda says, regardless of what you read in mainstream media. I am American myself (naturalized), but if you're American thinking you need to help somebody - I don't need your ambitions, because it's me paying for that, not you.
      - lm28469 3y ago
        > I inherited apartment in Kiev which I was hoping to use for retirement, but I won't be able to go there because of somebody decided to claim their rights on the country. I just fail to see how that's the US fault You'd prefer that the "west" close their eyes and let your country be absorbed by Russia ? To save your retirement flat ? Would you go back there to retire under Putin's regime or whatever will come next ? I frankly don't get it I understand that it's war and it's hell, but regardless of the US intervention Ukrainians were going to pay a very high price. It's probably the only US intervention since ww2 that can be explained without too much mental gymnastic. They're far from being angels but they didn't invade you country, regardless of what they did in the middle east.

okaram 3y ago

If you believe this started as the US doing anything, I have a bridge (or an LLM) to sell you ... The US (and the West) reacted to Putin's invasion of Ukraine. I think they've done an amazing job given the horrible starting premise. Still, they're trying to achieve balance and many things can go wrong. Do you believe letting Russia take over Ukraine (or half of it) was a better option? Or getting NATO directly involved?

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lm28469 3y ago

Russia declares war on Ukraine and it's the US fault ? ok With your logic would you surrender the entire US to Putin ? After one nuke ? two nukes ?

RomanPushkin 3y ago
"If we’re intelligent thinkers, we’ll study to understand the reasons for Russia doing what they did, even if we personally don’t agree with it. We’ll have come to this opinion not by viewing (censored) Google searches, but by exploring history through the independent media, not the mainstream narrative. I’ve known Russian and Ukrainian people, and don’t want anyone to die. But, just like you learned in grade school, why is America the world’s police? Why don’t you protest the military industrial complex Dwight Eisenhower warned us about? Why not protest the fact that we have about 700 military bases? That’s not national defense, that’s offense. I can go on, but you have two radio shows where you can discuss politics. Why put it in the magazine too? Maybe start a political podcast and keep the magazine for unbiased hacker information that hackers of all countries can read. Why keep writing editorials about fighting something you’ll never change or win? You wrote yourself, the system is broken. I can agree with that. Emmanuel Goldstein is a character in 1984. In that book, George Orwell teaches us about an evil, all-controlling government. By writing so adamantly about a few government topics, and taking a side on this or that trendy cause, you’re missing the bigger picture. You’re missing the forest for a few trees. Economically, if the federal government dismantled itself to the bare essentials (national defense, not offense), those people and resources will move to the private sector, allowing more innovation without the burden of the cost of big government. Studies and history have proven that increased surveillance and loss of freedom have not stopped terrorists, as shown in Boston, Paris, and all the beheading videos on the Dark Web. Americans should fix things at home before we go running around the world spreading our agenda. Instead of fixing a broken system, we have to start over. We should read history and remember the values the country was founded on, which are individual freedom and liberty, not satisfying groups of people at the expense of that individual freedom and liberty." (2600 recent volume, page 22)
- lm28469 3y ago
  Yeah sure, for 95% of US involved conflicts your comment makes sense. For Ukraine it doesn't
  - RomanPushkin 3y ago
    My friend, I'm from Ukraine myself (Berdychiv) with roots in both countries, and I can tell you your comment doesn't make sense. I inherited apartment in Kiev which I was hoping to use for retirement, but I won't be able to go there because of somebody decided to claim their rights on the country. My pacifist nature wanted to leave in peace, and now I don't know who to blame: east, west, Putin, Zelensky, US, Russia. My family has been affected, and you're telling me my comment doesn't make sense... My comment makes sense, because now I personally can understand what happened to those millions civilians in the Middle East. I hope you understand that I am not asking you to _change_ your point of view, and I do not insist that my comment is correct, and your comment doesn't make any sense. All I recommend is to think critically, try to understand one small little person online, real one, regardless of what western/eastern propaganda says, regardless of what you read in mainstream media. I am American myself (naturalized), but if you're American thinking you need to help somebody - I don't need your ambitions, because it's me paying for that, not you.
    - lm28469 3y ago
      > I inherited apartment in Kiev which I was hoping to use for retirement, but I won't be able to go there because of somebody decided to claim their rights on the country. I just fail to see how that's the US fault You'd prefer that the "west" close their eyes and let your country be absorbed by Russia ? To save your retirement flat ? Would you go back there to retire under Putin's regime or whatever will come next ? I frankly don't get it I understand that it's war and it's hell, but regardless of the US intervention Ukrainians were going to pay a very high price. It's probably the only US intervention since ww2 that can be explained without too much mental gymnastic. They're far from being angels but they didn't invade you country, regardless of what they did in the middle east.