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How dare you, it's already too late! https://web.archive.org/web/20230307215203/https://twitter.com/gretathunberg/status/1009757391515156480 https://web.archiv

How dare you, it's already too late! https://web.archive.org/web/20230307215203/https://twitter.com/gretathunberg/status/1009757391515156480 https://web.archive.org/web/20230307215203/https://twitter.c...

ZeroGravitas 3y ago
It might be. They didn't say we'd all be dead in 5 years, just that we'd possibly pass a tipping point. I guess we'll find out.
latexr 3y ago
Every reply on that thread either misunderstood the claim or is arguing in bad faith. The quote doesn’t mean “everyone will be dead in five years unless we stop using fossil fuels before then”, it means “unless we stop using fossil fuels in the next five years, everyone will die at a later point as a consequence of the irreparable damage”. Do you understand the difference?
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Right, and we didn't so no point in trying now since we are all going to die anyway.* *or the climate scientists are wrong again
  - latexr 3y ago
    We’re all going to die, climate change or not. But you can die sooner and in greater pain or later and more comfortably. Which do you prefer? If you had a chronic disease, would you take medicine to stave off the adverse effects and preserve your quality of life for longer? Or would you throw your hands up and let the disease ravage you since there’s no cure? And remember: in the case of climate change your decision doesn’t affect only you but others as well.
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      Want to do analogies, let's do analogies. What if you had a doctor who told you to stop eating ice cream or you were going to die. He keeps making predictions, you'll have a heart attack in 5 years, you'll get diabetes in 6 years, you'll be dead within the decade. The years pass and his predictions don't come true. Worse yet, you find out that he has a fridge full of Ben and Jerry's at home and publicly supports government funded ice cream socials (wars). At what point would you stop trusting the experts? Keep in mind it's really hot in many parts of the world and their economies could really use some ice cream.
      - latexr 3y ago
        You’ve lost me. Are you claiming that climate change isn’t getting worse and that climate scientists support wars? I don’t want to mischaracterise your point, I’m genuinely not sure if I understand it.
        999029190 3y ago
        I'm not OP, but I'm claiming exactly that. I'll go further. I don't even consider so-called climate scientists "scientists."

ZeroGravitas 3y ago

It might be. They didn't say we'd all be dead in 5 years, just that we'd possibly pass a tipping point. I guess we'll find out.

latexr 3y ago

Every reply on that thread either misunderstood the claim or is arguing in bad faith. The quote doesn’t mean “everyone will be dead in five years unless we stop using fossil fuels before then”, it means “unless we stop using fossil fuels in the next five years, everyone will die at a later point as a consequence of the irreparable damage”. Do you understand the difference?

willcipriano 3y ago
Right, and we didn't so no point in trying now since we are all going to die anyway.* *or the climate scientists are wrong again
- latexr 3y ago
  We’re all going to die, climate change or not. But you can die sooner and in greater pain or later and more comfortably. Which do you prefer? If you had a chronic disease, would you take medicine to stave off the adverse effects and preserve your quality of life for longer? Or would you throw your hands up and let the disease ravage you since there’s no cure? And remember: in the case of climate change your decision doesn’t affect only you but others as well.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    Want to do analogies, let's do analogies. What if you had a doctor who told you to stop eating ice cream or you were going to die. He keeps making predictions, you'll have a heart attack in 5 years, you'll get diabetes in 6 years, you'll be dead within the decade. The years pass and his predictions don't come true. Worse yet, you find out that he has a fridge full of Ben and Jerry's at home and publicly supports government funded ice cream socials (wars). At what point would you stop trusting the experts? Keep in mind it's really hot in many parts of the world and their economies could really use some ice cream.
    - latexr 3y ago
      You’ve lost me. Are you claiming that climate change isn’t getting worse and that climate scientists support wars? I don’t want to mischaracterise your point, I’m genuinely not sure if I understand it.
      - 999029190 3y ago
        I'm not OP, but I'm claiming exactly that. I'll go further. I don't even consider so-called climate scientists "scientists."