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To be clear, that is the established protocol for the commander and chief of most militaries. That’s why such a big deal was made when Zelensky didn’t leave Ky
by lockhouse 3y ago
To be clear, that is the established protocol for the commander and chief of most militaries. That’s why such a big deal was made when Zelensky didn’t leave Kyiv despite advancing Russian forces. If there was a credible threat to President Biden he would be on Air Force One immediately.
- bananabiscuit 3y ago[flagged]
- piva00 3y agoWoah, you're really gatekeeping how a president should look like in the middle of war? Or worse, complaining that his image is unpresidential? What the actual fuck?
- bananabiscuit 3y agoI sure am. Because it’s obvious propaganda.
- Shaanie 3y agoIs there anyone who thinks that the way a president dresses and acts isn't propaganda?.. It's not exactly some huge revelation.
- bananabiscuit 3y agoExactly. Makes it all the more ridiculous when people take Zelenskyy’s look at face value.
- signatoremo 3y agoSuch a strange take. Of course any public appearance of any government head is propaganda. If propaganda ever has a value, it’s the assured image of a commander in chief in the war time, when the troop have to face a stronger enemy who outnumber them. They need to know their leader is there with them. It’s a matter of survival for Ukraine. Do you think a well shaved Zelenskyy in impeccable suits, sitting behind long table — like Putin — is more suitable? What do you think all of Prigozhin’s videos are?
- bananabiscuit 3y agoIn a way, yes I would find it more plausible if Zelenskyy looked like the trope of president should look like. I sincerely would have been more likely to believed that Putin is ran evil warmonger, and that Zelenskyy is a paragon, if it wasn’t the case there was so much of this top-down pressure in the US to make sure people don’t accidentally pick the wrong side to root for. If I saw that the facts were plainly speaking for themselves I would believe them. But they aren’t, so I have to be very critical. I understand the need for this propaganda in Ukraine for the sake of Ukrainians. I don’t understand why in the US, Ukrainian propaganda has a state sanctioned monopoly over Russian propaganda.
- piva00 3y agoI still don't understand your take, you are very wary of Ukrainian propaganda because the US supports it. So look at the facts: Russia invaded a neighbouring country, butchered civilians, hazed cities. Your take on propaganda because a president of a country being invaded doesn't dress the part you expect is seriously bizarre. You're not being critical, you are being cynical.
- bananabiscuit 3y agoZelenskyy dressing a certain way and standing in front of a green screen to look like he is in Kiev was just one thing that came to mind specifically because the poster I was responding to was talking about how Zelenskyy was so unique for doing this. Since that was the aspect of the propaganda that was relevant at the moment, that’s what I focused on. But it is a tiny part of the whole, and yes on its own I agree that it appears quite trivial and inconsequential. But when mass media (including new media) ceaselessly bombards the entire population with tiny things like this over the course of years, then it has a very real and drastic effect. And most nefarious of all, because this kind of propoganda is ever present and so subtle, it is almost invisible. And when you do point out any one of its many aspects you get responses exactly like this: that it is trivial and inconsequential and why don’t I just get with the program, and isn’t it obvious there’s good guys and there’s bad guys and isn’t it obvious who is who.
- bandyaboot 3y agoIt’s not like he’s traipsing around in full combat kit. The look he has chosen is probably meant to convey that 1: we’re at war (regardless of what conditions might be like at your particular location), and 2: I’m not living a pampered lifestyle while you’re sitting in the cold and the dark under threat of missile and drone attack. (Whether that’s true or not is beside the point)
- mensetmanusman 3y agoWhat should he wear so that no one thinks it's propaganda?
- detaro 3y agocould be worse, he could be wearing a tan suit or a sweater /s
- DougEiffel 3y agoSeems logical that he would use a green screen whether he was in Ukraine or not. Very start of an invasion doesn't feel like a great time to be broadcasting your exact location. Also maybe not a great time to be doing outtakes in the open streets. I don't have a whole lot of information to say whether he actually stayed or not. I assume there would be a ton of credible evidence in one direction or the other - photos, videos, etc. But either way, I'm just saying that I could definitely understand the need for a professional studio and obfuscation of location.
- lockhouse 3y agoYup, I assume faked backdrops are pretty common among politicians. Again, President Biden has used a fake Oval Office several times: https://www.newsweek.com/why-white-house-built-fake-oval-office-joe-biden-1636616 https://www.newsweek.com/why-white-house-built-fake-oval-off...
- hsjqllzlfkf 3y agoAre you blaming the weaker country for doing what it can? You people are unconscionable.
- richk449 3y agoAt least part of the point is recognizing that this was a credible threat to Putin. What would it take for the US president to leave Washington DC though? Obviously a real possibility of nuclear war. What else though?
- lockhouse 3y agoI think 9/11 did. Granted President George W. Bush was famously reading a book to school children when it happened, but I believe he stayed Airborne on Air Force One for several additional hours as a precaution. Also President Madison evacuated Washington, DC during the War of 1812.
- csomar 3y agoCovid. Trump left for the mountains during the pandemic.
- ChatGTP 3y agoIf there was a credible threat to President Biden he would be on Air Force One immediately. Where would he go? Australia ?
- civilitty 3y agoDepends on where the threat is coming from, obviously. There's the Pentagon, Raven Rock Mountain Complex, Mount Weather Emergency Operations Center, Cheyenne Mountain Complex, the Greenbrier bunker, the Peters Mountain facility, 33 Thomas Street, nearly a dozen aircraft carriers, Camp David, and god knows how many military bases. Or he could just board the doomsday fleet of E-4Bs and stay in the air
- mensetmanusman 3y agoNebraska
- mhb 3y agoRed Lobster