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Prigozhin was exiled to Belarus: https://www.businessinsider.com/wagner-leader-prigozhin-exiled-to-belarus-after-putin-rebellion-2023-6 https://www.businessinsi

Prigozhin was exiled to Belarus: https://www.businessinsider.com/wagner-leader-prigozhin-exiled-to-belarus-after-putin-rebellion-2023-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/wagner-leader-prigozhin-exil... Seems like a terrible outcome for Putin. He looks really weak and presumably just lost most if not all of Wagner, who were his most effective troops. He might have Prigozhin poisoned, but that would probably cause further instability internally as it causes more of his leadership to realize he'll clearly betray anybody and his word isn't worth anything.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
> and presumably just lost most if not all of Wagner That remains to be seen? Might be that some of their warriors will take the offer to join the military, and others... might select (or be given) new leadership, and go back to Ukraine to resume their regular business there. If this really was Prigozhin vs. MoD, then that particular issue might be a closed case. Mercenaries are what they are - they're loyal to themselves and money, not state policy. Prigozhin got them to march at Moscow, so they did; then got them to march back, safe and sound, so they did. Russian government can just say "okay, no shots fired, no hard feelings" and leave it at that; it's not like they trusted them in the first place. Putin angle though, that's a new thing. One way of spinning today's events is that Prigozhin took a swing at the Tsar, missed, and still lived to talk about it. Leaving it at that is not safe for the Tsar.
- chasd00 3y ago
  > lived to talk about it As of right this second. I hope his affairs are in order because the writing is on the wall.
- lrem 3y ago
  But haven't shots been fired, soldiers and civilians killed?
  - toast0 3y ago
    When have facts gotten in the way of what the Russian government wants to say?
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    Not as of yesterday evening, scoped to the verified BBC reporting.
    - bart_spoon 3y ago
      That’s not true. There’s been widespread reports that Wagner shot down multiple Russian aircraft resulting in the deaths of 15 Russian airmen.
tuukkah 3y ago
I'm worried the deal may lead to Wagner taking control in Belarus.
- resolutebat 3y ago
  Lukashenka is a wily operator and has ruled Belarus with an iron fist for 20 years. The offer is exile for Prigozhin personally, not an open invitation for everybody in Wagner to come to Belarus.
  - tuukkah 3y ago
    Really weird he would part with his troops.
  - LgWoodenBadger 3y ago
    His troops are the only life support Prigozhin has
    - vkou 3y ago
      Which is why he'll fall out of a window this year.
mint2 3y ago
Wait and see where Wagner ends up in Belarus. Watch it be some convenient spot along Ukraine border. I’m not saying that was the original plan, but even just moving 20K Wagner troop as part of the deal, even with no intention of attack, would draw a significant chunk of ukraines attention. And if the Ukrainians don’t move additional defense, then an opportunistic attack might be on the table for some exchange that would be mutually beneficial to the Russian factions. Let me be clear, this was not meant to be a grand ruse, but that doesn’t it can’t be turned in to one after the fact in order for the opposing Russian sides to salvage their situation.
- chasd00 3y ago
  His troops aren’t going with him to Belarus, they have to sign loyalty to the mod.
  - speakfreely 3y ago
    Only the ones who "didn't march" to Moscow, so roughly 20k are ineligible for these MoD contracts that are being forced on the rest of them. I would imagine those 20k are the more experienced, more loyal ones who are well paid and protected by Prigozhin.
- sidibe 3y ago
  I don't think you can say what Prigozhin said yesterday about the war and then get people to participate in it under your command. He was pretty crystal clear that the war was an unjustified clusterfuck.

TeMPOraL 3y ago

> and presumably just lost most if not all of Wagner That remains to be seen? Might be that some of their warriors will take the offer to join the military, and others... might select (or be given) new leadership, and go back to Ukraine to resume their regular business there. If this really was Prigozhin vs. MoD, then that particular issue might be a closed case. Mercenaries are what they are - they're loyal to themselves and money, not state policy. Prigozhin got them to march at Moscow, so they did; then got them to march back, safe and sound, so they did. Russian government can just say "okay, no shots fired, no hard feelings" and leave it at that; it's not like they trusted them in the first place. Putin angle though, that's a new thing. One way of spinning today's events is that Prigozhin took a swing at the Tsar, missed, and still lived to talk about it. Leaving it at that is not safe for the Tsar.

chasd00 3y ago
> lived to talk about it As of right this second. I hope his affairs are in order because the writing is on the wall.
lrem 3y ago
But haven't shots been fired, soldiers and civilians killed?
- toast0 3y ago
  When have facts gotten in the way of what the Russian government wants to say?
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  Not as of yesterday evening, scoped to the verified BBC reporting.
  - bart_spoon 3y ago
    That’s not true. There’s been widespread reports that Wagner shot down multiple Russian aircraft resulting in the deaths of 15 Russian airmen.

tuukkah 3y ago

I'm worried the deal may lead to Wagner taking control in Belarus.

resolutebat 3y ago
Lukashenka is a wily operator and has ruled Belarus with an iron fist for 20 years. The offer is exile for Prigozhin personally, not an open invitation for everybody in Wagner to come to Belarus.
- tuukkah 3y ago
  Really weird he would part with his troops.
- LgWoodenBadger 3y ago
  His troops are the only life support Prigozhin has
  - vkou 3y ago
    Which is why he'll fall out of a window this year.

mint2 3y ago

Wait and see where Wagner ends up in Belarus. Watch it be some convenient spot along Ukraine border. I’m not saying that was the original plan, but even just moving 20K Wagner troop as part of the deal, even with no intention of attack, would draw a significant chunk of ukraines attention. And if the Ukrainians don’t move additional defense, then an opportunistic attack might be on the table for some exchange that would be mutually beneficial to the Russian factions. Let me be clear, this was not meant to be a grand ruse, but that doesn’t it can’t be turned in to one after the fact in order for the opposing Russian sides to salvage their situation.

chasd00 3y ago
His troops aren’t going with him to Belarus, they have to sign loyalty to the mod.
- speakfreely 3y ago
  Only the ones who "didn't march" to Moscow, so roughly 20k are ineligible for these MoD contracts that are being forced on the rest of them. I would imagine those 20k are the more experienced, more loyal ones who are well paid and protected by Prigozhin.
sidibe 3y ago
I don't think you can say what Prigozhin said yesterday about the war and then get people to participate in it under your command. He was pretty crystal clear that the war was an unjustified clusterfuck.