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There is a lot of plausible deniability on the destruction of the dam. In the case of a nuke in your own territory that's more unequivocal

lawn 3y ago
Not really. It's pretty damn clear who blew up the dam, yet lots of people still claim that Russia didn't do it. Wouldn't be hard to make the same people believe someone else nuked Russian territory.
- coldtea 3y ago
  Wasn't it "clear" who blew the pipelines too?
  - runarberg 3y ago
    Totally different. The dam has a bunch of circumstantial evidence which together overwhelmingly indicate Russia. The same is not true of the pipeline, where there is hardly any such evidence. The dam also has a pretty clear motive. While the only clear motive for the pipeline are the Americans. But there is a sever lack of evidence to back up any narrative indicating them.
- vGPU 3y ago
  You do realize Ukraine has bragged multiple times about hitting the dam, right? And that Russia has much more to lose over the flooding than Ukraine does?
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > You do realize Ukraine has bragged multiple times about hitting the dam, right? And that Russia has much more to lose over the flooding than Ukraine does? Russia has already admitted to blowing the dam, it was likely blown from the inside as the dam itself is super strong. Russia did it to try and hinder the progress of the counter offensive.
    - vGPU 3y ago
      No? Every source I see says “Ukraine says that Russia says that…”.
      - _kbh_ 3y ago
        > No? Every source I see says “Ukraine says that Russia says that…”. Yes?. Your sources are clearly terrible if that’s the case. We have Russians on video saying they blew up the damn and Russian propagandist threatening to blow up the Kyiv dam. Here are two Russians saying they mined are going to blow up the dam. https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1666061532080361472 https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/16660615320803614... >> "We mined everything on Kakhovka HPP. So, they'll f*king blow it up and will wash away Ukrainian Armed Forces on the other side" - a Russian says. The video was published on 10 December, 2022. https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1666003021925347328 https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1666003021925347328 >> Russian soldier Yegor Guzenko, who is fighting in the Kherson region, admitted that Russia blew up the dam in Nova Kakhovka to stop Ukrainian army He also said that the Russian army should also blow up other dams on the Dnieper
        vGPU 3y ago
        Your sources are fake and ridiculous. This has been addressed by better writers than me, so I will go ahead and quote them here: >Not to be blunt, but this is an egregiously bad bit of trickery and it’s difficult to believe that people are falling for it. To begin with, this is an interview with a Ukrainian blogger and youtuber who goes by the screen name “Edgar Myrotvorets” - interestingly naming himself after the infamous Ukrainian kill list. The “Russian soldier” who he is interviewing is allegedly a gentleman named Yegor Guzenko. Yegor seems to be an interesting fellow - he pops up on social media periodically largely to confess to stereotyped Russian war crimes, like kidnapping civilians and executing Ukrainian prisoners, and of course blowing up dams. >Essentially, we are being asked to believe that there is a Russian soldier out there who is giving interviews to Ukrainian media in which he confesses to all of Russia’s nefarious activities, and then goes about his duties without being stopped or punished. It should be pretty obvious that Yegor is actually Yehor, and is not a Russian soldier at all but a Ukrainian impersonator - funnily enough, Yegor also has a beard even though the Russian MOD has been cracking down on facial hair. So the errors in your reply are numerous. First: The person on the right side is a UKRAINIAN blogger, who's channel can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/@edgar_ua https://www.youtube.com/@edgar_ua The rest are left as an exercise to the reader.

lawn 3y ago

Not really. It's pretty damn clear who blew up the dam, yet lots of people still claim that Russia didn't do it. Wouldn't be hard to make the same people believe someone else nuked Russian territory.

coldtea 3y ago
Wasn't it "clear" who blew the pipelines too?
- runarberg 3y ago
  Totally different. The dam has a bunch of circumstantial evidence which together overwhelmingly indicate Russia. The same is not true of the pipeline, where there is hardly any such evidence. The dam also has a pretty clear motive. While the only clear motive for the pipeline are the Americans. But there is a sever lack of evidence to back up any narrative indicating them.
vGPU 3y ago
You do realize Ukraine has bragged multiple times about hitting the dam, right? And that Russia has much more to lose over the flooding than Ukraine does?
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > You do realize Ukraine has bragged multiple times about hitting the dam, right? And that Russia has much more to lose over the flooding than Ukraine does? Russia has already admitted to blowing the dam, it was likely blown from the inside as the dam itself is super strong. Russia did it to try and hinder the progress of the counter offensive.
  - vGPU 3y ago
    No? Every source I see says “Ukraine says that Russia says that…”.
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > No? Every source I see says “Ukraine says that Russia says that…”. Yes?. Your sources are clearly terrible if that’s the case. We have Russians on video saying they blew up the damn and Russian propagandist threatening to blow up the Kyiv dam. Here are two Russians saying they mined are going to blow up the dam. https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1666061532080361472 https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/16660615320803614... >> "We mined everything on Kakhovka HPP. So, they'll f*king blow it up and will wash away Ukrainian Armed Forces on the other side" - a Russian says. The video was published on 10 December, 2022. https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1666003021925347328 https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1666003021925347328 >> Russian soldier Yegor Guzenko, who is fighting in the Kherson region, admitted that Russia blew up the dam in Nova Kakhovka to stop Ukrainian army He also said that the Russian army should also blow up other dams on the Dnieper
      - vGPU 3y ago
        Your sources are fake and ridiculous. This has been addressed by better writers than me, so I will go ahead and quote them here: >Not to be blunt, but this is an egregiously bad bit of trickery and it’s difficult to believe that people are falling for it. To begin with, this is an interview with a Ukrainian blogger and youtuber who goes by the screen name “Edgar Myrotvorets” - interestingly naming himself after the infamous Ukrainian kill list. The “Russian soldier” who he is interviewing is allegedly a gentleman named Yegor Guzenko. Yegor seems to be an interesting fellow - he pops up on social media periodically largely to confess to stereotyped Russian war crimes, like kidnapping civilians and executing Ukrainian prisoners, and of course blowing up dams. >Essentially, we are being asked to believe that there is a Russian soldier out there who is giving interviews to Ukrainian media in which he confesses to all of Russia’s nefarious activities, and then goes about his duties without being stopped or punished. It should be pretty obvious that Yegor is actually Yehor, and is not a Russian soldier at all but a Ukrainian impersonator - funnily enough, Yegor also has a beard even though the Russian MOD has been cracking down on facial hair. So the errors in your reply are numerous. First: The person on the right side is a UKRAINIAN blogger, who's channel can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/@edgar_ua https://www.youtube.com/@edgar_ua The rest are left as an exercise to the reader.