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Worked great for USSR, Venezuela, Cuba, ... FDR also had to deal with things like state's rights... But why worry about nuance?

by b59831 3y ago

harimau777 3y ago
None of those countries are ones that I think we should be eager to mimic. However, if we are talking about nuance, we should consider: The USSR rapidly went from a relatively backwards nation that had been devastated by WW2 to a highly industrialized world superpower. That's a lot of success even if the costs weren't worth it. Cuba has been hamstrung by US embargoes. Unfortunately I'm not knowledgeable enough about Venezuela to say.
- barry-cotter 3y ago
  > The USSR rapidly went from a relatively backwards nation that had been devastated by WW2 to a highly industrialized world superpower. Imperial Russia was one of the most powerful countries in the world prior to WW1 and industrialising very rapidly. One of the reasons the Germans went for it when they did was because they knew that any later they could not beat the Russian Empire. To manage to become a “highly industrialised world superpower” starting with the Russian Empire of 1913 is not an achievement. > Cuba has been hamstrung by US embargoes. No other countries embargo the US and oceanic transport is so cheap they transport onions to Ireland from Australia at a profit. Cuba is a dump because of its government, not because of the US. > Unfortunately I’m not knowledgeable enough about Venezuela to say. Pretty standard communist story. Secret police, middle class and educated flee in their millions, economy collapses.
  - watwut 3y ago
    Imperial Russia was breaking down and on the brink of collapse ...until they violently collapsed. They were also behind western countries technologically and by pretty much all aspects. That includes military being one massive mess with horrible conditions for soldiers and comparatively larger looses. Same thing, west can not go in and occupy current Russia either, but that does not make the country any less dysfunctional mess comparatively. Same with imperial Russia.

Worked great for USSR, Venezuela, Cuba, ... FDR also had to deal with things like state's rights... But why worry about nuance?

by b59831 3y ago

Worked great for USSR, Venezuela, Cuba, ... FDR also had to deal with things like state's rights... But why worry about nuance?

harimau777 3y ago

None of those countries are ones that I think we should be eager to mimic. However, if we are talking about nuance, we should consider: The USSR rapidly went from a relatively backwards nation that had been devastated by WW2 to a highly industrialized world superpower. That's a lot of success even if the costs weren't worth it. Cuba has been hamstrung by US embargoes. Unfortunately I'm not knowledgeable enough about Venezuela to say.

barry-cotter 3y ago
> The USSR rapidly went from a relatively backwards nation that had been devastated by WW2 to a highly industrialized world superpower. Imperial Russia was one of the most powerful countries in the world prior to WW1 and industrialising very rapidly. One of the reasons the Germans went for it when they did was because they knew that any later they could not beat the Russian Empire. To manage to become a “highly industrialised world superpower” starting with the Russian Empire of 1913 is not an achievement. > Cuba has been hamstrung by US embargoes. No other countries embargo the US and oceanic transport is so cheap they transport onions to Ireland from Australia at a profit. Cuba is a dump because of its government, not because of the US. > Unfortunately I’m not knowledgeable enough about Venezuela to say. Pretty standard communist story. Secret police, middle class and educated flee in their millions, economy collapses.
- watwut 3y ago
  Imperial Russia was breaking down and on the brink of collapse ...until they violently collapsed. They were also behind western countries technologically and by pretty much all aspects. That includes military being one massive mess with horrible conditions for soldiers and comparatively larger looses. Same thing, west can not go in and occupy current Russia either, but that does not make the country any less dysfunctional mess comparatively. Same with imperial Russia.