Also check out the interview Ezra Klein did with Jennifer Pahlki on his podcast [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/06/podcasts/transcript-ezra-klein-inte

Also check out the interview Ezra Klein did with Jennifer Pahlki on his podcast [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/06/podcasts/transcript-ezra-klein-interviews-jennifer-pahlka.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/06/podcasts/transcript-ezra-...