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> All of the other legal rights that the US congress grants The US government doesn't grant any rights. We already have all of them at birth. The government ma

> All of the other legal rights that the US congress grants The US government doesn't grant any rights. We already have all of them at birth. The government may affirm them but it isn't a higher authority giving anything to anyone.

simion314 3y ago
>The US government doesn't grant any rights. We already have all of them at birth. What legal document defines "all of them" or what is not a right you have ?
- withinboredom 3y ago
  I think you totally missed the point. You are born with the rights to be President of the US, but the constitution takes it away if you aren't born a US citizen. Before the constitution did that, literally anyone could (all the first presidents of the US weren't born US citizens, for example). Any right you can imagine, you are born with them. Then some legal document either affirms them, removes them, or ignores them.
  - sjtgraham 3y ago
    That's wrong. The constitution says any natural born US citizen or any person who was a citizen at the time of ratification of the Constitution is eligible to be POTUS.
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      I think you just proved my point.
  - simion314 3y ago
    So I am born with the right for privacy and a company that would track my internet surfing is abusing my rights? Unless there is a law that will grant this companies the right to track? Something feels weird, there is no list of all human rights? so is there a right to free internet and a free phone? How can I check if that right exists or not ?
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      All those rights exist, even the right to kill someone exists. We write laws to affirm or deny them. For example, a law may be written to deny the right to kill, except in very specific circumstances (self-defense, war, executions, etc). You have the right to privacy and the EU affirms that, some US states affirm it as well.
NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
This was rather difficult to research with naïve Google searches, so correct me if I am wrong, but it would seem that rights may flow from more than one source. We are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights. (We already have all of them at conception, not merely birth!) Those are the types of rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights. The government can't revoke them because they are, by nature, God-given and inalienable and don't come from anyone but Him. Then there are rights which can be granted as concessions from the government, whether it is Federal, State, or other. I'm not sure; perhaps the right to vote is one of these "non God-given" rights because voting itself stems from the nature of democracy and not an inborn trait of mankind. There seems to be the right of privacy, but I'm not sure if this could be described as "God-given"; it's rather a new concept, and Christian doctrine doesn't make a particular pronouncement on whether this is a thing to be protected. And other entities besides governments can grant rights, of course. If you join a club, you could be granted the right to vote for the board of directors, or the right to attend socials and meetings. I have certain rights as the member of fraternal organizations. Your landlord or HOA has granted you certain rights, of course: the right to use the pool and laundry room are definitely not "God-given" but they are certainly concessions made because you're a paying tenant.
l33t233372 3y ago
That’s not necessarily true. The government grants the right to a free public education, for example. So-called positive rights are not something you’re born with, as opposed to negative rights, which are things you’re protected from the government taking away.
kube-system 3y ago
The above conversation was about the US legally protected rights, so we're talking about legal rights here specifically.

simion314 3y ago

>The US government doesn't grant any rights. We already have all of them at birth. What legal document defines "all of them" or what is not a right you have ?

withinboredom 3y ago
I think you totally missed the point. You are born with the rights to be President of the US, but the constitution takes it away if you aren't born a US citizen. Before the constitution did that, literally anyone could (all the first presidents of the US weren't born US citizens, for example). Any right you can imagine, you are born with them. Then some legal document either affirms them, removes them, or ignores them.
- sjtgraham 3y ago
  That's wrong. The constitution says any natural born US citizen or any person who was a citizen at the time of ratification of the Constitution is eligible to be POTUS.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    I think you just proved my point.
- simion314 3y ago
  So I am born with the right for privacy and a company that would track my internet surfing is abusing my rights? Unless there is a law that will grant this companies the right to track? Something feels weird, there is no list of all human rights? so is there a right to free internet and a free phone? How can I check if that right exists or not ?
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    All those rights exist, even the right to kill someone exists. We write laws to affirm or deny them. For example, a law may be written to deny the right to kill, except in very specific circumstances (self-defense, war, executions, etc). You have the right to privacy and the EU affirms that, some US states affirm it as well.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago

This was rather difficult to research with naïve Google searches, so correct me if I am wrong, but it would seem that rights may flow from more than one source. We are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights. (We already have all of them at conception, not merely birth!) Those are the types of rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights. The government can't revoke them because they are, by nature, God-given and inalienable and don't come from anyone but Him. Then there are rights which can be granted as concessions from the government, whether it is Federal, State, or other. I'm not sure; perhaps the right to vote is one of these "non God-given" rights because voting itself stems from the nature of democracy and not an inborn trait of mankind. There seems to be the right of privacy, but I'm not sure if this could be described as "God-given"; it's rather a new concept, and Christian doctrine doesn't make a particular pronouncement on whether this is a thing to be protected. And other entities besides governments can grant rights, of course. If you join a club, you could be granted the right to vote for the board of directors, or the right to attend socials and meetings. I have certain rights as the member of fraternal organizations. Your landlord or HOA has granted you certain rights, of course: the right to use the pool and laundry room are definitely not "God-given" but they are certainly concessions made because you're a paying tenant.

l33t233372 3y ago

That’s not necessarily true. The government grants the right to a free public education, for example. So-called positive rights are not something you’re born with, as opposed to negative rights, which are things you’re protected from the government taking away.

kube-system 3y ago

The above conversation was about the US legally protected rights, so we're talking about legal rights here specifically.