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> You seems to be a bit frustrated yourself by the fact that there was little to no such adoption in the first place after showing those links right in front of
by lapcat 3y ago
> You seems to be a bit frustrated yourself by the fact that there was little to no such adoption in the first place after showing those links right in front of you.
How many times do I have to say that I'm happy with the current size of Mastodon?
> I thought you said you had a 'good memory'?
This has nothing to do with memory. You made vague, almost nonsensical accusations.
> We all know that the vast majority of normal users (not techies, developers, etc) have tried it, aired their frustrations and left and didn't stick around.
Absurdly false. There's no evidence whatsoever that hundreds of millions of people have tried Mastodon. That's such a bizarre claim, especially since you continue to talk about how you think the total number of Mastodon accounts ever created is low.
> But clearly you refuse to acknowledge that and continue to ignore the centralization and corruption risks with Meta's backroom NDAs with instance admins.
This may be the first relevant thing you've said. Except I'm 100% opposed to Facebook's P92 project.
> Yet the majority of the normal users (220M+) on Twitter took a look at Mastodon, tried it, left and never looked back again.
Whether they "looked" at Mastodon, I couldn't say (and neither can you), but I can say that the majority of Twitter users didn't try it.
Do 200M people even have the motivation to try Mastodon?
> But for perspective of that figure, it seems that Nostr reached that 'total number' quicker than Mastodon did in less than 7 years.
There's an obvious reason for that, the elephant in the room. The Mastodon and Nostr signups both mostly occurred after Elon Musk acquired Twitter.
> Is that why you haven't replied to this comment [1] who is asking whether if there is even evidence of 'over a million regular users?' (non-techies) using it?
Why do you take "regular" from the other commenter to mean "non-techie" as opposed to "frequent"?
According to https://joinmastodon.org/about https://joinmastodon.org/about there are 1.2M monthly active users. There are no demographic surveys of Mastodon, so I have no idea how many are "techie" or "non-techie", nor do I care.
> Mastodon was meant to challenge that during the so-called #TwitterMigration outrage as that alternative for normal users.
What do you mean Mastodon was "meant" for that? As you continue to say, Mastodon was created in 2016. The so-called #TwitterMigration was a result of Elon Musk acquiring Twitter in 2022. Unless you're claiming that Eugen Rochko magically predicted this acquisition 6 years prior, Mastodon was not meant for that.
The simple fact is that after Musk acquired Twitter, a significant number of people including myself were looking for an alternative to Twitter, and they found it with Mastodon. You seem overly concerned about what happened with Mastodon from 2016-2021, but I don't really care about that. Yes, Mastodon had relatively low adoption before the Musk acquisition. So what?
> given that you're were part of the Twitter collapse nonsense on HN last year. But you knew that already.
Citation needed.
- rvz 3y ago[flagged]
- lapcat 3y agoYou: Yet the majority of the normal users (220M+) on Twitter took a look at Mastodon, tried it, left and never looked back again. Me: Absurdly false. You: Exactly. This is truly an insane "discussion". > I already said that in my first comment, but perhaps you finally decided to read what the actual problem is. > You can be opposed to it, but that won't stop the further centralization and Instagram's dominance in the 'Fediverse', already being compromised in the process especially when they are already winning. I already read this in the linked article: "if Meta joins the Fediverse, Meta will be the only one winning. In fact, reactions show that they are already winning". You've added absolutely nothing new or enlightening. > Seems to me that this other commenter is interested in how many users are regular, i.e 'non-technical' and also signed up to Mastodon. You have no idea either way. > For 'normal users', it is seen as the 'alternative' to Twitter. During the #TwitterMigration of 2022 and even before Elon acquired the company. I suspect that most weren't even aware of its existence. > 'Significant' is 1.2 million MAU Yes. > when compared to 450M MAUs still sitting on Twitter? I don't feel the need to compare. > especially when you are still unable to show verifiable data around Mastodon daily active users. I don't know whether that data is even collected. I'm not responsible for Mastodon data collection. > Henceforth, the majority of Twitter's users don't care I don't care. > I do not need to cite, since you already know you were part of the 'everyone' camp who was talking about Twitter's collapse on HN. I don't know any such thing, because it's false. I do know that your accusation against me here is in gross violation of the HN guidelines, and I also know that this discussion is becoming extremely tedious and futile, so let's just end it now. One more thing though: Nobody is trapped on Twitter. They don't need Mastodon or any Twitter alternative to "rescue" them. Mastodon didn't "fail" them. If they want to leave, they can simply stop using Twitter and spend their free time in another way. I'm old enough that the majority of my life predated the existence of Twitter, and it was fine.
- rvz 3y ago[flagged]