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At this point this guy will be arrested I think, how many lives were lost and billions of rubles of equipement destroyed due to this? No blood shed is a lie to

At this point this guy will be arrested I think, how many lives were lost and billions of rubles of equipement destroyed due to this? No blood shed is a lie too if reports of downed choppers and planes are to be believed. He didn't have the guts or the support to go through, and even announcing of trying to reach Moscow was stupid. Amongst all this, where the heck is the Russian Air Force? They were planning to reach Moscow via usual roads, would have been very easy for a couple of MIGs to smoke them like the US Air Force did in 1991 in Iraq's Highway to Hell. This whole war in Ukraine is very bizarre, no Navy, no Air Force, just ground war and drones, it's like the really expensive pieces of equipment are too costly to be risked for Ukraine.

meepmorp 3y ago
Russia, and Putin specifically, has to do something about this. Prigozhin can't be allowed to go free after this - he directly challenged state authority in really unambiguous terms. He took control of Rostov, he was openly marching towards Moscow. "Where is the Russian Air Force," is a common question in the Ukrainian conflict. They've mostly been lobbing standoff weapons from inside Russia to avoid losses to AA, as they lack the SEAD capability to operate safely closer. Given the supposed shoot downs of helicopters, I can see not wanting to risk getting closer. Plus all they're probably down to dumb bombs, making it quite hard to hit much accurately at a distance.
spacebanana7 3y ago
> would have been very easy for a couple of MIGs to smoke them like the US Air Force did in 1991 in Iraq's Highway to Hell. There were videos on Twitter of the Wagner columns using pretty serious short & medium range air defences. It’s hard to infer exactly how much air defence Wagner has, but even a couple of Pantsirs would make air strikes very dangerous for non stealth aircraft.
badpun 3y ago
> This whole war in Ukraine is very bizarre, no Navy, no Air Force, just ground war and drones, it's like the really expensive pieces of equipment are too costly to be risked for Ukraine. Russia's air force is supposedly a major problem for the Ukrainians during the current offensive, that's why Zelensky is so adamant about getting fighter jets ASAP.
- pixl97 3y ago
  But even in this case Russia rarely directly engages ukraine with aircraft. The S300 is risky to go up against directly. They just don't have the ECM and number of aircraft needed to take out significant numbers of Ukrainian anti aircraft sites.
ivan_gammel 3y ago
In short, due to inadequate military planning, completely failed intelligence and some smart moves by Ukrainian military, Russia failed to destroy Ukrainian Air Defence in the first hours of war and this failure predetermined the rest. With air superiority Russia could reach their goals in the first months of war even despite the resistance. They could not operate freely in Ukrainian air and now with Patriot and IRIS systems deployed it is completely impossible. What has happened today is hard to explain. Probably lack of command and coordination between FSB and military.

meepmorp 3y ago

Russia, and Putin specifically, has to do something about this. Prigozhin can't be allowed to go free after this - he directly challenged state authority in really unambiguous terms. He took control of Rostov, he was openly marching towards Moscow. "Where is the Russian Air Force," is a common question in the Ukrainian conflict. They've mostly been lobbing standoff weapons from inside Russia to avoid losses to AA, as they lack the SEAD capability to operate safely closer. Given the supposed shoot downs of helicopters, I can see not wanting to risk getting closer. Plus all they're probably down to dumb bombs, making it quite hard to hit much accurately at a distance.

spacebanana7 3y ago

> would have been very easy for a couple of MIGs to smoke them like the US Air Force did in 1991 in Iraq's Highway to Hell. There were videos on Twitter of the Wagner columns using pretty serious short & medium range air defences. It’s hard to infer exactly how much air defence Wagner has, but even a couple of Pantsirs would make air strikes very dangerous for non stealth aircraft.

badpun 3y ago

> This whole war in Ukraine is very bizarre, no Navy, no Air Force, just ground war and drones, it's like the really expensive pieces of equipment are too costly to be risked for Ukraine. Russia's air force is supposedly a major problem for the Ukrainians during the current offensive, that's why Zelensky is so adamant about getting fighter jets ASAP.

pixl97 3y ago
But even in this case Russia rarely directly engages ukraine with aircraft. The S300 is risky to go up against directly. They just don't have the ECM and number of aircraft needed to take out significant numbers of Ukrainian anti aircraft sites.

ivan_gammel 3y ago

In short, due to inadequate military planning, completely failed intelligence and some smart moves by Ukrainian military, Russia failed to destroy Ukrainian Air Defence in the first hours of war and this failure predetermined the rest. With air superiority Russia could reach their goals in the first months of war even despite the resistance. They could not operate freely in Ukrainian air and now with Patriot and IRIS systems deployed it is completely impossible. What has happened today is hard to explain. Probably lack of command and coordination between FSB and military.