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At this point, the EU and UK are doing a better job of fighting for my constitutional rights in the US than the US is.

by ofslidingfeet 3y ago

LightBug1 3y ago
Less of the UK, thanks ... we're sliding down the slippery chain. Don't join us.
- gadders 3y ago
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  - LightBug1 3y ago
    What? I wasn't even referring to Brexit. I think this is one of those look in the mirror moments for you.
    - starttoaster 3y ago
      > I think this is one of those look in the mirror moments for you. Unfortunately, self-reflection isn't the strong suit of most people, and especially so for their alter ego internet personas.
  - deleted 3y ago
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dghlsakjg 3y ago
What constitutional right do you think this violates? Constitutional rights generally refer to what the government can and cannot do to a person. In this case it was a private company that broke no US laws as far as I can tell. Why would the constitution apply?
- simion314 3y ago
  >Constitutional rights generally refer to what the government can and cannot do to a person. So the constitution only protects your human rights(life, privacy, no discrimination) from the government? in USA you need other laws to protect your rights from other people and companies ?
  - l33t233372 3y ago
    The US constitution only describes the powers the government has and some restrictions of those powers.
  - cannonpalms 3y ago
    Precisely.
  - astura 3y ago
    I highly encourage you to read the text of them for yourself - Constitutional rights are mostly defined in the first 10 amendments to the constitution (all ratified together) as well as the 13th -15th (post civil war) amendments. These are the text of them: Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Amendment III No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. Amendment VII In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. Amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. AMENDMENT XIII Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. AMENDMENT XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State. Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void. Section 5. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. *Changed by section 1 of the 26th amendment. AMENDMENT XV Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude-- Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
1. As the other comment mentions, this is a Belgian company 2. Following the common argument in USA/China/TikTok debates, won't EU citizens be safer with their private data in the US than in the EU, far away from their own governments?
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  No.
msla 3y ago
https://www.heise.de/news/EU-Staaten-schraenken-Pressefreiheit-im-Namen-der-nationalen-Sicherheit-ein-9194309.html?wt_mc=rss.red.ho.ho.rdf.beitrag.beitrag https://www.heise.de/news/EU-Staaten-schraenken-Pressefreihe... The EU just approved government Trojan horse software for journalists. Translation: https://www-heise-de.translate.goog/news/EU-Staaten-schraenken-Pressefreiheit-im-Namen-der-nationalen-Sicherheit-ein-9194309.html?wt_mc=rss.red.ho.ho.rdf.beitrag.beitrag&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-heise-de.translate.goog/news/EU-Staaten-schraenk... > The EU Council has decided its controversial position on the Freedom of the Media Act, according to which journalists should in principle be monitored with state trojans. > On Monday, 65 press and civil rights organizations called on the EU Council of Ministers in an open letter to use the planned media freedom law to effectively protect journalists from surveillance, for example with state Trojans. But the calling was in vain. The panel of government representatives of the member states on Wednesday outlined its line on the Media Freedom Act, according to which their security agencies are allowed to spy on media representatives for reasons of "national security", among other things. This would also undermine source protection. English sources: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/22/draft-eu-plans-to-allow-spying-on-journalists-are-dangerous-warn-critics https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/22/draft-eu-plans... > Draft legislation published by EU leaders that would allow national security agencies to spy on journalists has been condemned by media and civic society groups as dangerous and described by a leading MEP as “incomprehensible”. https://www.brusselstimes.com/565952/spyware-in-europe-eu-to-allow-intrusive-surveillance-of-journalists1 https://www.brusselstimes.com/565952/spyware-in-europe-eu-to... https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-releases/article/eu-member-states-show-dangerous-disregard-for-media-freedom-principles https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-...

At this point, the EU and UK are doing a better job of fighting for my constitutional rights in the US than the US is.

LightBug1 3y ago

Less of the UK, thanks ... we're sliding down the slippery chain. Don't join us.

gadders 3y ago
[flagged]
- LightBug1 3y ago
  What? I wasn't even referring to Brexit. I think this is one of those look in the mirror moments for you.
  - starttoaster 3y ago
    > I think this is one of those look in the mirror moments for you. Unfortunately, self-reflection isn't the strong suit of most people, and especially so for their alter ego internet personas.
- deleted 3y ago
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dghlsakjg 3y ago

What constitutional right do you think this violates? Constitutional rights generally refer to what the government can and cannot do to a person. In this case it was a private company that broke no US laws as far as I can tell. Why would the constitution apply?

simion314 3y ago
>Constitutional rights generally refer to what the government can and cannot do to a person. So the constitution only protects your human rights(life, privacy, no discrimination) from the government? in USA you need other laws to protect your rights from other people and companies ?
- l33t233372 3y ago
  The US constitution only describes the powers the government has and some restrictions of those powers.
- cannonpalms 3y ago
  Precisely.
- astura 3y ago
  I highly encourage you to read the text of them for yourself - Constitutional rights are mostly defined in the first 10 amendments to the constitution (all ratified together) as well as the 13th -15th (post civil war) amendments. These are the text of them: Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Amendment III No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. Amendment VII In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. Amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. AMENDMENT XIII Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. AMENDMENT XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State. Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void. Section 5. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. *Changed by section 1 of the 26th amendment. AMENDMENT XV Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude-- Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

1. As the other comment mentions, this is a Belgian company 2. Following the common argument in USA/China/TikTok debates, won't EU citizens be safer with their private data in the US than in the EU, far away from their own governments?

surgical_fire 3y ago
No.

msla 3y ago

https://www.heise.de/news/EU-Staaten-schraenken-Pressefreiheit-im-Namen-der-nationalen-Sicherheit-ein-9194309.html?wt_mc=rss.red.ho.ho.rdf.beitrag.beitrag https://www.heise.de/news/EU-Staaten-schraenken-Pressefreihe... The EU just approved government Trojan horse software for journalists. Translation: https://www-heise-de.translate.goog/news/EU-Staaten-schraenken-Pressefreiheit-im-Namen-der-nationalen-Sicherheit-ein-9194309.html?wt_mc=rss.red.ho.ho.rdf.beitrag.beitrag&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-heise-de.translate.goog/news/EU-Staaten-schraenk... > The EU Council has decided its controversial position on the Freedom of the Media Act, according to which journalists should in principle be monitored with state trojans. > On Monday, 65 press and civil rights organizations called on the EU Council of Ministers in an open letter to use the planned media freedom law to effectively protect journalists from surveillance, for example with state Trojans. But the calling was in vain. The panel of government representatives of the member states on Wednesday outlined its line on the Media Freedom Act, according to which their security agencies are allowed to spy on media representatives for reasons of "national security", among other things. This would also undermine source protection. English sources: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/22/draft-eu-plans-to-allow-spying-on-journalists-are-dangerous-warn-critics https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/22/draft-eu-plans... > Draft legislation published by EU leaders that would allow national security agencies to spy on journalists has been condemned by media and civic society groups as dangerous and described by a leading MEP as “incomprehensible”. https://www.brusselstimes.com/565952/spyware-in-europe-eu-to-allow-intrusive-surveillance-of-journalists1 https://www.brusselstimes.com/565952/spyware-in-europe-eu-to... https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-releases/article/eu-member-states-show-dangerous-disregard-for-media-freedom-principles https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-...