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Nah. Nobody complaints when you invent words or phrases to add clarity, but most academic papers are NOT doing this. It's an academic circle-j** where all the

Nah. Nobody complaints when you invent words or phrases to add clarity, but most academic papers are NOT doing this. It's an academic circle-j** where all the authors play the same game to try to fit in with each other. And in this respect, you're 100% right. Professionals who make a living doing work, even the ones who know more about the topic than the researchers, are not the target audience. The target audience is the others participating in the circle-j** who determine if the paper should be published. And no, I'm not saying that researchers are worthless and don't know anything. Merely that they have different purposes and standards for their work. And it has always been this way, in every field.

mathisfun123 3y ago
>Professionals who make a living doing work, even the ones who know more about the topic than the researchers, are not the target audience. You know what's the shittiest spot to be in? A PhD student that's also one of those working class professionals. Can you imagine working on something you know represents a significant technical challenge in industry and then writing a paper on it and then it get rejected because it's "just engineering". My personal favorite (ie in my area) is the original pytorch paper isn't publishable for this reason (but simultaneously is the highest cited - through it's arxiv orcid - ML compiler paper of all time).
- isityouyesitsme 3y ago
  I'm purely curious at this point, I have nothing else to add here---what's your favorite example of the other failure, the type where all the researchers in the industry hype something and then 10 or 20 years later, you can look and say "well, that was a swing and a miss..." ?
  - mathisfun123 3y ago
    Uh I'm not a pundit or historian or whatever but I don't think this is possible except in a negative externalities sense (PFAS, climate change, etc). If you hype something in industry and it doesn't work then you or your company get fired (or something like that). While in academia you can write a paper that "proposes" or is "toward" something or has an implementation in the grad student's personal dialect of whatever language (ie shit code). Granted shit code abounds in industry too but at least in industry someone is going to review some aspect of the implementation before, during, or after it ships.

mathisfun123 3y ago

>Professionals who make a living doing work, even the ones who know more about the topic than the researchers, are not the target audience. You know what's the shittiest spot to be in? A PhD student that's also one of those working class professionals. Can you imagine working on something you know represents a significant technical challenge in industry and then writing a paper on it and then it get rejected because it's "just engineering". My personal favorite (ie in my area) is the original pytorch paper isn't publishable for this reason (but simultaneously is the highest cited - through it's arxiv orcid - ML compiler paper of all time).

isityouyesitsme 3y ago
I'm purely curious at this point, I have nothing else to add here---what's your favorite example of the other failure, the type where all the researchers in the industry hype something and then 10 or 20 years later, you can look and say "well, that was a swing and a miss..." ?
- mathisfun123 3y ago
  Uh I'm not a pundit or historian or whatever but I don't think this is possible except in a negative externalities sense (PFAS, climate change, etc). If you hype something in industry and it doesn't work then you or your company get fired (or something like that). While in academia you can write a paper that "proposes" or is "toward" something or has an implementation in the grad student's personal dialect of whatever language (ie shit code). Granted shit code abounds in industry too but at least in industry someone is going to review some aspect of the implementation before, during, or after it ships.