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You’re kind of advocating the “let’s all pretend the past didn’t happen” theory of easing racial tensions by never mentioning slavery, etc. It’s a viewpoint, b

You’re kind of advocating the “let’s all pretend the past didn’t happen” theory of easing racial tensions by never mentioning slavery, etc. It’s a viewpoint, but I’m very skeptical. IMO it is perfectly reasonable to contextualize a fictional race by the creators and the time it was created. Intentional ignorance and choosing to ignore reality never sit well with me. I’m more in the “those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it” camp myself.

DropInIn 3y ago
No. A Character Type is different than a Caricature, which is Specifically when one is representing a Specific Person or Peoples. When there is no such intent and is not based explicitly in such prior art, such characters are just that purely imaginary characters with zero bearing on real world racism. Enough with the bs.
- grog454 3y ago
  This is a strange take that seems best described as "raciphobia". It's not "bs" to ask whether or suggest that a creative work was inspired by a stereotype. There's the creator's intent which can't really be known. Then there's the observer's interpretation which is equally valid.
  - Izkata 3y ago
    We can know in this case: It wasn't, back when the Ferengi were first created their civilization was more like a cross between conquerors and pirates than anything else. Their current depiction evolved slowly over the course of TNG.
  - DropInIn 3y ago
    The creators intent can be known When They've Explicitly Discussed It. You're Presuming based on your Prejudices aka Pre-Judging.
TeMPOraL 3y ago
If history tells us anything, it's that keeping past offenses and injustices alive and on top of everyone's mind is how you get centuries of bloody wars, with each generation trying to "get justice" for what the other side done to their parents. Rinse, repeat. "Eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind", and all that. Surely there is a better way.

DropInIn 3y ago

No. A Character Type is different than a Caricature, which is Specifically when one is representing a Specific Person or Peoples. When there is no such intent and is not based explicitly in such prior art, such characters are just that purely imaginary characters with zero bearing on real world racism. Enough with the bs.

grog454 3y ago
This is a strange take that seems best described as "raciphobia". It's not "bs" to ask whether or suggest that a creative work was inspired by a stereotype. There's the creator's intent which can't really be known. Then there's the observer's interpretation which is equally valid.
- Izkata 3y ago
  We can know in this case: It wasn't, back when the Ferengi were first created their civilization was more like a cross between conquerors and pirates than anything else. Their current depiction evolved slowly over the course of TNG.
- DropInIn 3y ago
  The creators intent can be known When They've Explicitly Discussed It. You're Presuming based on your Prejudices aka Pre-Judging.

TeMPOraL 3y ago

If history tells us anything, it's that keeping past offenses and injustices alive and on top of everyone's mind is how you get centuries of bloody wars, with each generation trying to "get justice" for what the other side done to their parents. Rinse, repeat. "Eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind", and all that. Surely there is a better way.