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Something tells me that Teams still won't run properly using this.

by speed_spread 3y ago

ComputerGuru 3y ago
This doesn’t add any more value to the conversation than Reddit’s “but will it run Crysis?” comments.
- Crystalin 3y ago
  it didn't but it made me smile :)
- speed_spread 3y ago
  Ok then. Steering away from Redditisms, let's make this into a deep reflection upon the state of modern application software that's consuming hardware resources faster than hardware can improve. We have these incredible CPUs yet our machines offer barely the same experience they did twenty years ago and even succeed in getting strictly worse as in Teams case. The newer the software, the more wasteful implementation we get, our performance budget spilled and absorbed by layers upon layers of abstractions. Of all this immense computing power, I can only feel the difference when compiling stuff and other specialized activities.
- COGlory 3y ago
  I'm extremely curious if this could run Crysis in with software rendering, actually...
PragmaticPulp 3y ago
Is everyone on HN running their computers in some parallel universe where apps are running 10X slower than my computer?
- fbdab103 3y ago
  No, but on the other hand, I do have some glimmer of hope that eventually someone at Microsoft will see these kinds of comments and do something to fix that abomination. I have no doubt Microsoft employs many very talented people, but none of them seem to be working on the user facing products which make my corporate laptop run so poorly (Teams or OneDrive).
  - re-thc 3y ago
    To be fair, it has already improved a lot. They are doing something whether they see your comment or not.
  - Clamchop 3y ago
    They've transitioned the consumer client from Electron to Edge WebView, Angular to React, and the same for the enterprise application appears to be in public preview and slated for general availability later this year. Still web tech but it's supposed to address some of the memory and performance problems. So I think they've known how unpleasant Teams is! https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2023/03/27/welcome-to-the-new-era-of-microsoft-teams/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2023/03/2...
    - imperialdrive 3y ago
      T2 is much worse that version 1, I'm sorry to say because I really really want to like Teams since I'm forced to use it for work.
      - Clamchop 3y ago
        Don't tell me that, I want to believe in the dream. :/
    - fbdab103 3y ago
      Highlighting the 9 second startup time does not bolster confidence.
      - Klinky 3y ago
        Yes, appreciate the transparency, but it's kind of embarrassing "22 second launch time" was considered acceptable for so long, and "more than twice as fast" now means "almost a 10 second launch time".
        Clamchop 3y ago
- TOMDM 3y ago
  I think the problem is that using well optimised programs (Sublime text for example) on modern computers feels unbelievably fast. Using something like Teams by comparison feels like mollases.
- Klinky 3y ago
  Teams is hot garbage, it feels like it was designed to be terrible at everything it does. Everything feels laggy in it compared to Slack/Zoom.
  - cycomanic 3y ago
    Your kidding right, I mean teams is not great, but compared to the UI rubbish of zoom and slack? Take for example the whole business of screensharing, if you share a single screen in zoom you get black blocks for all the zoom windows. Yes it makes sense that I don't share the window with participants, but at least let me freaking close it. Similarly moving the controls from bottom to top of the screen reliably confuses early (and even more advanced users). And don't get me started on quoting text or including math in slack and what is the whole threads section?!
    - Klinky 3y ago
      It feels like a quarter of the time screenshare doesn't even work in Teams and it's noticably choppier when it does work. Code blocks working in Teams is inconsistent, and it seems to add additional spaces when copying. Quoting & mentions also sucks. The channels, chats, activity screens are always a mess, feel like UX bandaid. Private channel limits are garbage. Search and discovery sucks. There's inconsistent options for the calendar between Outlook & Teams. Don't you dare expect functional compatibility between MS products. Scheduling assistant sucks, sometimes confuses itself when people are busy. The UX seems to rely on a myriad of nested menus & modals that are XHR backed, so each one lags. Even just typing text feels slow. It's as fluid as molasses.
      - antifa 3y ago
        > and it seems to add additional spaces when copying It regularly adds _fake spaces_ to code blocks. People paste working code/SQL into their things and all spaces were replaced with mysterious utf8 that are invisible like spaces.
- uo21tp5hoyg 3y ago
  Not according to their own advertising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7nnXej2K4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7nnXej2K4
walrus01 3y ago
If you want to see something really amazing, look at the CPU usage to display one high frame rate animated gif posted in a slack channel on a modern quad core 11/12/13th gen Intel CPU laptop. Chat clients were not meant to take 70% of available CPU. You can literally hear the fans speed up. Teams is bad, yeah, but does not have an entire monopoly on being terribly inefficient.
- dopa42365 3y ago
  > modern > quad core pick one
  - gautamcgoel 3y ago
    Intel Core i3 processors are still quad-core, even in the latest generation. Not everyone has an i7.
  - antifa 3y ago
    Modern would probably refer to generation, not core count. However, I wish to all 6+ core Intel laptop owners a very happy 65 decibel exhaust fan when opening your 3rd chrome tab.

Something tells me that Teams still won't run properly using this.

ComputerGuru 3y ago

This doesn’t add any more value to the conversation than Reddit’s “but will it run Crysis?” comments.

Crystalin 3y ago
it didn't but it made me smile :)
speed_spread 3y ago
Ok then. Steering away from Redditisms, let's make this into a deep reflection upon the state of modern application software that's consuming hardware resources faster than hardware can improve. We have these incredible CPUs yet our machines offer barely the same experience they did twenty years ago and even succeed in getting strictly worse as in Teams case. The newer the software, the more wasteful implementation we get, our performance budget spilled and absorbed by layers upon layers of abstractions. Of all this immense computing power, I can only feel the difference when compiling stuff and other specialized activities.
COGlory 3y ago
I'm extremely curious if this could run Crysis in with software rendering, actually...

PragmaticPulp 3y ago

Is everyone on HN running their computers in some parallel universe where apps are running 10X slower than my computer?

fbdab103 3y ago
No, but on the other hand, I do have some glimmer of hope that eventually someone at Microsoft will see these kinds of comments and do something to fix that abomination. I have no doubt Microsoft employs many very talented people, but none of them seem to be working on the user facing products which make my corporate laptop run so poorly (Teams or OneDrive).
- re-thc 3y ago
  To be fair, it has already improved a lot. They are doing something whether they see your comment or not.
- Clamchop 3y ago
  They've transitioned the consumer client from Electron to Edge WebView, Angular to React, and the same for the enterprise application appears to be in public preview and slated for general availability later this year. Still web tech but it's supposed to address some of the memory and performance problems. So I think they've known how unpleasant Teams is! https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2023/03/27/welcome-to-the-new-era-of-microsoft-teams/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2023/03/2...
  - imperialdrive 3y ago
    T2 is much worse that version 1, I'm sorry to say because I really really want to like Teams since I'm forced to use it for work.
    - Clamchop 3y ago
      Don't tell me that, I want to believe in the dream. :/
  - fbdab103 3y ago
    Highlighting the 9 second startup time does not bolster confidence.
    - Klinky 3y ago
      Yes, appreciate the transparency, but it's kind of embarrassing "22 second launch time" was considered acceptable for so long, and "more than twice as fast" now means "almost a 10 second launch time".
      - Clamchop 3y ago
TOMDM 3y ago
I think the problem is that using well optimised programs (Sublime text for example) on modern computers feels unbelievably fast. Using something like Teams by comparison feels like mollases.
Klinky 3y ago
Teams is hot garbage, it feels like it was designed to be terrible at everything it does. Everything feels laggy in it compared to Slack/Zoom.
- cycomanic 3y ago
  Your kidding right, I mean teams is not great, but compared to the UI rubbish of zoom and slack? Take for example the whole business of screensharing, if you share a single screen in zoom you get black blocks for all the zoom windows. Yes it makes sense that I don't share the window with participants, but at least let me freaking close it. Similarly moving the controls from bottom to top of the screen reliably confuses early (and even more advanced users). And don't get me started on quoting text or including math in slack and what is the whole threads section?!
  - Klinky 3y ago
    It feels like a quarter of the time screenshare doesn't even work in Teams and it's noticably choppier when it does work. Code blocks working in Teams is inconsistent, and it seems to add additional spaces when copying. Quoting & mentions also sucks. The channels, chats, activity screens are always a mess, feel like UX bandaid. Private channel limits are garbage. Search and discovery sucks. There's inconsistent options for the calendar between Outlook & Teams. Don't you dare expect functional compatibility between MS products. Scheduling assistant sucks, sometimes confuses itself when people are busy. The UX seems to rely on a myriad of nested menus & modals that are XHR backed, so each one lags. Even just typing text feels slow. It's as fluid as molasses.
    - antifa 3y ago
      > and it seems to add additional spaces when copying It regularly adds _fake spaces_ to code blocks. People paste working code/SQL into their things and all spaces were replaced with mysterious utf8 that are invisible like spaces.
uo21tp5hoyg 3y ago
Not according to their own advertising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7nnXej2K4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7nnXej2K4

walrus01 3y ago

If you want to see something really amazing, look at the CPU usage to display one high frame rate animated gif posted in a slack channel on a modern quad core 11/12/13th gen Intel CPU laptop. Chat clients were not meant to take 70% of available CPU. You can literally hear the fans speed up. Teams is bad, yeah, but does not have an entire monopoly on being terribly inefficient.

dopa42365 3y ago
> modern > quad core pick one
- gautamcgoel 3y ago
  Intel Core i3 processors are still quad-core, even in the latest generation. Not everyone has an i7.
- antifa 3y ago
  Modern would probably refer to generation, not core count. However, I wish to all 6+ core Intel laptop owners a very happy 65 decibel exhaust fan when opening your 3rd chrome tab.