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Voyager had its moments and was a good fun “junk food” trek (great for unwinding after work, as I found out while marathonning all things Trek a few years ago)

Voyager had its moments and was a good fun “junk food” trek (great for unwinding after work, as I found out while marathonning all things Trek a few years ago) but yeah, the stuff Janeway manages to pull off with a tiny underpowered science vessel cut off from Starfleet, particularly with regard to the Borg, was ridiculous.

sgt 3y ago
I love Voyager. If you want to call it junk food trek sure, but it has some depth as well. The most depth were some of the Dominion DS9 episodes, in my opinion. But overall I still rank TNG the highest, then VOY, followed by DS9. That's my top three. As for 4th, that's something we should discuss over a beer.
- kitsunesoba 3y ago
  For me the highlights of Voyager were some of its characters. The Doctor and Seven both grew into their roles very well and Tuvok is one of the most convincingly Vulcan characters who isn't Spock, for example.
  - sgt 3y ago
    And Janeway - such a great character development.
    - fbdab103 3y ago
      Really? If you grabbed S1 Janeway and plopped her in the finale, I felt she was mostly the same (minus Future timeline Janeway grieving for Tuvok/Seven)? Obsessed with getting the crew home and willing to bend the rules, yet still sticking to Federation principles when push comes to shove (ie refusing the handful of opportunities which would have plopped them into the Alpha quadrant).
      - sgt 3y ago
        What you say makes sense if you put it that way. Maybe she evolved more as a person than a leader?
batch12 3y ago
Not every version of Janeway's ship and crew made it. We followed the path/timeline of the successful one. For instance, Harry and Naomi Wildman's voyager was destroyed. There was also the year of hell, etc.
- fbdab103 3y ago
  Mirror Ship Harry - talk about a plot point that never gets addressed again! For an episode-of-the-week format, it would be difficult to callback to that, but that feels like it should become a personality-defining moment: I should not exist, except my parallel version was killed, and the captain decided I should survive.
jccalhoun 3y ago
The show was really hurt by making it be so episodic. At the end of most stories they had to reset things (unless it was cast changes). How many times was Voyager taken over and had some non-Federation tech installed only to have it removed by the end of the story?
- Izkata 3y ago
  Problem with that is, they were so bad at continuity in Voyager they had to make an episode with a fake ship (cloned on the demon planet) that gets destroyed, so minor issues with previous episodes could be explained away as having taken place on the duplicate ship. Imagine how much worse if could have been of they had to keep track of actual plot relevant continuity...
krapp 3y ago
It's heresy but I think Picard did a lot to redeem the Borg as a menace by showcasing how traumatic assimilation is through Picard and Seven's character arcs, even though it also wasted so much potential by not actually using them, and I liked Annie Wersching's manipulative queen.
mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
I think it was Rich Evans who said it would be way better if Voyager gave up at some point, and decided to found a new federation in the delta quadrant. I think I agree with him, because yes, the suspension of disbelief sort of piles on after a while.
tenpies 3y ago
The whole handling of Species 8472 was a let down. For once, the Borg had a credible challenge that had arrived at a higher technological capability through completely different means. Then, in the span of an episode, the Voyager crew not only figures out a way to crush 8472, but somehow does it with technology that the Borg have much better mastery over. It's as if a cavemen taught a sharpshooter how to be a better marksman.

sgt 3y ago

I love Voyager. If you want to call it junk food trek sure, but it has some depth as well. The most depth were some of the Dominion DS9 episodes, in my opinion. But overall I still rank TNG the highest, then VOY, followed by DS9. That's my top three. As for 4th, that's something we should discuss over a beer.

kitsunesoba 3y ago
For me the highlights of Voyager were some of its characters. The Doctor and Seven both grew into their roles very well and Tuvok is one of the most convincingly Vulcan characters who isn't Spock, for example.
- sgt 3y ago
  And Janeway - such a great character development.
  - fbdab103 3y ago
    Really? If you grabbed S1 Janeway and plopped her in the finale, I felt she was mostly the same (minus Future timeline Janeway grieving for Tuvok/Seven)? Obsessed with getting the crew home and willing to bend the rules, yet still sticking to Federation principles when push comes to shove (ie refusing the handful of opportunities which would have plopped them into the Alpha quadrant).
    - sgt 3y ago
      What you say makes sense if you put it that way. Maybe she evolved more as a person than a leader?

batch12 3y ago

Not every version of Janeway's ship and crew made it. We followed the path/timeline of the successful one. For instance, Harry and Naomi Wildman's voyager was destroyed. There was also the year of hell, etc.

fbdab103 3y ago
Mirror Ship Harry - talk about a plot point that never gets addressed again! For an episode-of-the-week format, it would be difficult to callback to that, but that feels like it should become a personality-defining moment: I should not exist, except my parallel version was killed, and the captain decided I should survive.

jccalhoun 3y ago

The show was really hurt by making it be so episodic. At the end of most stories they had to reset things (unless it was cast changes). How many times was Voyager taken over and had some non-Federation tech installed only to have it removed by the end of the story?

Izkata 3y ago
Problem with that is, they were so bad at continuity in Voyager they had to make an episode with a fake ship (cloned on the demon planet) that gets destroyed, so minor issues with previous episodes could be explained away as having taken place on the duplicate ship. Imagine how much worse if could have been of they had to keep track of actual plot relevant continuity...

krapp 3y ago

It's heresy but I think Picard did a lot to redeem the Borg as a menace by showcasing how traumatic assimilation is through Picard and Seven's character arcs, even though it also wasted so much potential by not actually using them, and I liked Annie Wersching's manipulative queen.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago

I think it was Rich Evans who said it would be way better if Voyager gave up at some point, and decided to found a new federation in the delta quadrant. I think I agree with him, because yes, the suspension of disbelief sort of piles on after a while.

tenpies 3y ago

The whole handling of Species 8472 was a let down. For once, the Borg had a credible challenge that had arrived at a higher technological capability through completely different means. Then, in the span of an episode, the Voyager crew not only figures out a way to crush 8472, but somehow does it with technology that the Borg have much better mastery over. It's as if a cavemen taught a sharpshooter how to be a better marksman.