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Does anyone have sources for this stuff? I am seeing a lot of conjecture and not a lot of substance. Is this whole thing based on a couple telegram videos? Is

Does anyone have sources for this stuff? I am seeing a lot of conjecture and not a lot of substance. Is this whole thing based on a couple telegram videos? Is there anything to suggest they aren’t just propaganda deepfakes?

shusaku 3y ago
The Eastern Border podcast has been my go to for awhile: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/prigozhin-crisis/id1070996136?i=1000618154361 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/prigozhin-crisis/id107... The fog of war over Ukraine does continue to frustrate. You really wish there was live, perfect info sources to keep you in the know, but even ten years from now there are sure to be questions. Edit: just got through the most recent episode and want to warn that it’s a bit crazy conspiratorial, but interesting…
watwut 3y ago
Putin made speech in national TV.
jussij 3y ago
There are plenty of youtube videos showing Wagner forces control the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don. They can't all be fake.
- diimdeep 3y ago
  Here is local news agency in Rostov with plenty of media https://t.me/privet_rostov_ru https://t.me/privet_rostov_ru
hutzlibu 3y ago
It definitely is real, that the head of Wagner, which acted as Putins man of brute shadow force - is now an enemy of Putin. This was coming since a while, since Prigoshin stepped over the line many times and he refused the ultimatum by the Russian Ministry of Defence, to put Wagner Forces tightly under MoD control. And now things are escalating. Everything else is filled with deepfakes, old footage and co But Wagner forces are around 25 000. It is not clear how loyal the bulk of them are towards Prigoshin personally (I have my doubts) but many russian russians share the hate for the MoD. And there is solid evidence, that they control some area.
- brutusborn 3y ago
  What makes you so sure?
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    Because russian state TV is a legit source of Putin speeches?
    - brutusborn 3y ago
      Surely someone records this and translates it for western eyes. Do you have a source link or are we just playing Chinese whispers?
      - hutzlibu 3y ago
        Erm, you can directly check tass.com if you like. They even have a english version. Or really any other russian source. Russian militar blogger telegram channels, etc. (It is a good habit btw. to always also have a look at the opposing side of view)
        brutusborn 3y ago
        So looks like the coup was fake, I find it funny that the coup ended before you could send a single source link. I just wanted to know where people got their info, I wasn’t asking for much. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/24/europe/russia-putin-wagner-uprising-saturday-intl/index.html https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/24/europe/russia-putin-wagne...
        hutzlibu 3y ago
        tass.com was not a link? Also I do not see, where tanks on the road to moscow were fake. It was the russian way of doing politics.
        3y ago
diimdeep 3y ago
Read sources. Use translation services like (google translate or yandex translate) to read official Telegram channels [1][2][3] [1] MOD https://t.me/mod_russia https://t.me/mod_russia https://t.me/mod_russia_en https://t.me/mod_russia_en [2] Wagner https://t.me/orchestra_w https://t.me/orchestra_w [3] Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs https://t.me/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova https://t.me/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova
WeylandYutani 3y ago
Funny thing is that there were Western journalists in Beijing 1989. The CCP never arrested a non Chinese journalist. Putin doesn't care about diplomatic relations and almost every reputable media has fled the country.
- areyousure 3y ago
  https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/06/04/CBS-asks-Washington-to-help-find-newsmen-detained-by-Chinese-soldiers/8265612936000/ https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/06/04/CBS-asks-Washington-... https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/07/05/China-arrests-Taiwan-reporter/6069615614400/ https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/07/05/China-arrests-Taiwan...
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
Phillips O’Brien has been writing presciently [1]. [1] https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien
TheAlchemist 3y ago
There was some doubt at the beginning, but now that Putin made a speech on national TV, I think there are no more doubts.
vernon99 3y ago
https://t.me/milinfolive https://t.me/milinfolive Here’s a pretty good source of almost realtime updates, one of the large pro-war Tg channels. If you are on paid Telegram membership, I think it allows to translate all content. Not a fan of such media, but I’m from Rostov area so had to subscribe today to stay tuned.

shusaku 3y ago

The Eastern Border podcast has been my go to for awhile: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/prigozhin-crisis/id1070996136?i=1000618154361 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/prigozhin-crisis/id107... The fog of war over Ukraine does continue to frustrate. You really wish there was live, perfect info sources to keep you in the know, but even ten years from now there are sure to be questions. Edit: just got through the most recent episode and want to warn that it’s a bit crazy conspiratorial, but interesting…

watwut 3y ago

Putin made speech in national TV.

jussij 3y ago

There are plenty of youtube videos showing Wagner forces control the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don. They can't all be fake.

diimdeep 3y ago
Here is local news agency in Rostov with plenty of media https://t.me/privet_rostov_ru https://t.me/privet_rostov_ru

hutzlibu 3y ago

It definitely is real, that the head of Wagner, which acted as Putins man of brute shadow force - is now an enemy of Putin. This was coming since a while, since Prigoshin stepped over the line many times and he refused the ultimatum by the Russian Ministry of Defence, to put Wagner Forces tightly under MoD control. And now things are escalating. Everything else is filled with deepfakes, old footage and co But Wagner forces are around 25 000. It is not clear how loyal the bulk of them are towards Prigoshin personally (I have my doubts) but many russian russians share the hate for the MoD. And there is solid evidence, that they control some area.

brutusborn 3y ago
What makes you so sure?
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  Because russian state TV is a legit source of Putin speeches?
  - brutusborn 3y ago
    Surely someone records this and translates it for western eyes. Do you have a source link or are we just playing Chinese whispers?
    - hutzlibu 3y ago
      Erm, you can directly check tass.com if you like. They even have a english version. Or really any other russian source. Russian militar blogger telegram channels, etc. (It is a good habit btw. to always also have a look at the opposing side of view)
      - brutusborn 3y ago
        So looks like the coup was fake, I find it funny that the coup ended before you could send a single source link. I just wanted to know where people got their info, I wasn’t asking for much. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/24/europe/russia-putin-wagner-uprising-saturday-intl/index.html https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/24/europe/russia-putin-wagne...
        hutzlibu 3y ago
        tass.com was not a link? Also I do not see, where tanks on the road to moscow were fake. It was the russian way of doing politics.
        3y ago

diimdeep 3y ago

Read sources. Use translation services like (google translate or yandex translate) to read official Telegram channels [1][2][3] [1] MOD https://t.me/mod_russia https://t.me/mod_russia https://t.me/mod_russia_en https://t.me/mod_russia_en [2] Wagner https://t.me/orchestra_w https://t.me/orchestra_w [3] Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs https://t.me/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova https://t.me/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova

WeylandYutani 3y ago

Funny thing is that there were Western journalists in Beijing 1989. The CCP never arrested a non Chinese journalist. Putin doesn't care about diplomatic relations and almost every reputable media has fled the country.

areyousure 3y ago
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/06/04/CBS-asks-Washington-to-help-find-newsmen-detained-by-Chinese-soldiers/8265612936000/ https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/06/04/CBS-asks-Washington-... https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/07/05/China-arrests-Taiwan-reporter/6069615614400/ https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/07/05/China-arrests-Taiwan...

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

Phillips O’Brien has been writing presciently [1]. [1] https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien

TheAlchemist 3y ago

There was some doubt at the beginning, but now that Putin made a speech on national TV, I think there are no more doubts.

vernon99 3y ago

https://t.me/milinfolive https://t.me/milinfolive Here’s a pretty good source of almost realtime updates, one of the large pro-war Tg channels. If you are on paid Telegram membership, I think it allows to translate all content. Not a fan of such media, but I’m from Rostov area so had to subscribe today to stay tuned.