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Will current regime resort to use of nuclear weapons against Wagner formations as they approach Moscow? After all, the state and the power regime are facing an
by rixrax 3y ago
Will current regime resort to use of nuclear weapons against Wagner formations as they approach Moscow? After all, the state and the power regime are facing an existential risk.
- lloydatkinson 3y agoAs I understand it Wagner have already taken control of or surrounded various buildings in Moscow
- exizt88 3y agoThis is false. The Wagner column is 500 kms away from Moscow.
- lloydatkinson 3y agoHard to say what the videos in Moscow are of then if that’s the case.
- amaccuish 3y agoThey're likely the "anti-terrorist" measures that have been announced. Not hard to say at all.
- jcrites 3y agoRussian (state) controlled vehicles there for security? Can you link to sources? The (very few) videos that I've seen look like Russian state vehicles.
- watwut 3y agoNot Wagner. They are preparation - response of Russian security services to potential threat.
- simion314 3y agoIt was other city far from Moscow. What I see is civilians are split in 2 camps , young ones that follow social media will probably be in one camp and old people that only follow TV will be in other camp. Let's see what is next. And I see that a few started blaming USA, Israel and nazis for this.
- pc_edwin 3y agoI've had the exact thought, it looks as if we are further descending into apocalyptic territory. You have people capable of extreme destruction being cornered into an existential state, leaving them with very little rational options. This is when the irrational options starts appearing very rational.. True or not, what if this appears like a western backed coup to Putin and his inner circle. The kind of retaliations such an action would call for is unimaginable.
- jussij 3y agoI'm not sure the Kremlin is full of irrational individuals ready see their country totally annihilated. I suspect the Kremlin is full of self-serving individuals determined to look after their own self-interest. They'll be happy to see Putin hang on, provided of course his success aligns with their success. But if their interests could be better served supporting someone else, they will quickly flip allegiances.
- pc_edwin 3y agoI'm inclined to agree with your line of thinking but my comment was on the second and third order consequences of what just happened. When you put rational people in extremely chaotic situations, they tend to make very irrational choices. As of just a few hours ago we just entered a world where the following is an actual possibility, albeit an unlikely possibility: Prigozhin closes in, creating an existential crises for Putin and his inner circle. They believe this is a western backed coup where defeat isn't just personal but also defeat for Russia. Putin & his inner circle are put in a position to consider retaliation under the context of a rapidly deteriorating existential crises. I'm a voracious consumer of history and I can tell the one thing you learn from history is how a set of seemingly unrelated harmless dominos change the world overnight whether if its the death of a duke from a second tier power or the ambition of a failed artist.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoI could see the probability of a deranged Putin ordering nuclear strikes within Russia going up, but I think the probability of his order being followed will go down accordingly. It's not as if Putin can actually launch the nukes unilaterally.
- simion314 3y agoThere is no reason. How nukes benefit Putin? only if maybe Russians will interpret this as super matcho/alpha , to sacrifice entire cities including their future to cleanup your own shit.
- ilyt 3y agoWhile russia nuking themselves would be hilarious end of the current clown fiesta, I don't think they are that stupid, there is no way to explain that to public in favourable way to whichever side is left standing
- avgcorrection 3y ago> While russia nuking themselves would be hilarious end of the current clown fiesta Oh dropping nuclear bombs on place-where-I-don’t-live is so funny hahahaha it’s not like nuclear weapons have been a genuine threat since WWII and still is hahaha.
- ljlolel 3y agoEasy mis information claiming it was US that nuked Wagner
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoEasy in what sense? Easy to make that claim? Sure. Easy to actually convince people? I seriously doubt it.
- jacquesm 3y agoNuclear weapons have pretty clear signatures. That said, in the confusion afterwards it is of course debatable if any of that will matter.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoI'm quite disturbed that you think a nuclear genocide on the Russian people would be "hilarious". It would be a humanitarian disaster and an almost unprecedented tragedy. Let's not participate in the vilification of the Russian people.
- watwut 3y agoRussia nuking themselves does not imply that tho. It would be same humanitarian catastrophe as Russia nuking Ukraine, Russia blowing up that nuclear plant in Ukraine they are currently likely planning to blow, Russia blowing up the damm. Meaning, it would be exactly the same humanitarian disaster as Russia is comiting elsewhere right now. Only difference is that a.) nationality of innocent victims b.) event that harms Russia itself as opposed event that harms countries around Russia.
- PartiallyTyped 3y agoSeems unlikely tbh, he will turn into a martyr, and irradiation of NATO countries will trigger A5.
- jacquesm 3y agoIt won't. For that it would have to be an attack on NATO countries.
- PartiallyTyped 3y agoNo direct attack is needed. Both Dems and Reps said they would trigger article 5 on the event of a nuclear accident or attack in Ukraine that would result in irradiation of NATO territory. https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/nuclear-cloud-will-trigger-natos-article-5-us-warns-russia/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/nuclear-...
- mynameishere 3y agoThey are more likely to nuke the people backing Prigozhin rather than anything in Russia itself.
- autoexec 3y agoWould the new regime resort to the use of nuclear weapons against Ukraine or anyone else? As unpredictable and irrational as he's become, there's some comfort in Putin's track record of staying off the button. I really hope these events don't cause him to start getting YOLOy
- timeon 3y agoPoint of nukes is deterring other country. If your opponent is not country than there is little use for nukes because there is no target. That is why terrorism was such big topic for US/Russia for last two decades.
- dagaci 3y agoIt might be strange to say, but Putin is not an absolute dictator. He could not order the use of nuclear weapons on a whim, and have that obeyed throughout the chain. The Russian system will be much more sophisticated than that. https://thebulletin.org/2022/03/read-the-fine-print-russias-nuclear-weapon-use-policy/ https://thebulletin.org/2022/03/read-the-fine-print-russias-...