3 ms·

Well, the consensus is that the no music after midnight rule was an attempt to squash the western lifestyle(it had serious impact on the livelihood of the music

by mrtksn 3y ago

Well, the consensus is that the no music after midnight rule was an attempt to squash the western lifestyle(it had serious impact on the livelihood of the musicians and the venues). At places where the rule was enforced people simply continue their night somewhere without live music. It made no sense in the context of Covid, it made sense in the context of islamist trying to destroy the non-islamists. Anyway, what's the difference between a rule and a guideline? Is a red light a rule or guide? IMHO Guideline is a literature, rules are arrangements with an intent(i.e. let's agree to stop on red light with the intent of organising the flow so we don't crash into each other).

ilyt 3y ago
> Anyway, what's the difference between a rule and a guideline? Is a red light a rule or guide? Guideline: don't bother neighbours after 20:00 Rule: Loud noises not allowed after 20:00 If you make sure to steer clear from guideline ("hey neighbour, we want to have a party, will it be okay if we be loud till 00:00","thanks"), the rules will not need to be enforced (neighbour calling the police to complain)
- tsukikage 3y ago
  Now imagine you are not, in fact, on good terms with your neighbour, as sometimes happens. How should you behave in order to not spend every single evening arguing over the meaning of "bother neighbour" with the police? A more rigid definition serves to protect you, not just your neighbour.
- Dah00n 3y ago
  Rule: Loud noises not allowed after 20:00 unless permission have been given from neighbours. No loud noises after 23. Much better than a guideline in my opinion.
  - nikau 3y ago
    And how do you confirm all neighbours have agreed? What's the radius for neighbours? What about extortion to get neighbors to agree? Status quo is much simpler - it's banned but if neighbours all agree have a late party and police aren't called
    - Dah00n 3y ago
      >Status quo is much simpler - it's banned but if neighbours all agree have a late party and police aren't called How is that any different to what I just wrote? In your own example, the "What's the radius" and "How do you confirm all have agreed" is no different either.
      - nikau 3y ago
        because your rule is impossible to enforce.
  - ilyt 3y ago
    I don't disagree but running around neighbourhood with piece of paper titled "permission to party" and asking people to sign it would feel weird.
    - Dah00n 3y ago
      This isn't a court, so no need for a paper trail. Rules are already like this in many flat complexes - I'd say most even, here in Denmark: No loud noise after X except with neighbour permission. Silence after Y.
      - ilyt 3y ago
        Right till neighbour changes their mind and pisses on your verbal agreement and you have nothing to go by.
Dah00n 3y ago
>At places where the rule was enforced people simply continue their night somewhere without live music. Live music doesn't / didn't attract more people in closer proximity than areas with no live music? Did everyone still go to the same place and sat there in silence? That sounds very unlikely, but I have never been to Turkey. >It made no sense in the context of Covid, it made sense in the context of islamist trying to destroy the non-islamists. This is tied to the above, but who made the consensus that this was the point of the rule? Without a source of the consensus and to someone who have never been there it flies in the face of logic. Surely fewer people would go to, say, a British park Saturday evening if there's no music event there than if there is a band playing. Without some context, it reads to me like this post is anti-islamist and bashing Turkey for a rule that seem to have been enforced in one way or another in most of the west under COVID. As far as I know, every festival was shut down and events with music or other entertainment had to jump through lots of hoops or be shutdown too. How is this rule different?

by mrtksn 3y ago

ilyt 3y ago

> Anyway, what's the difference between a rule and a guideline? Is a red light a rule or guide? Guideline: don't bother neighbours after 20:00 Rule: Loud noises not allowed after 20:00 If you make sure to steer clear from guideline ("hey neighbour, we want to have a party, will it be okay if we be loud till 00:00","thanks"), the rules will not need to be enforced (neighbour calling the police to complain)

tsukikage 3y ago
Now imagine you are not, in fact, on good terms with your neighbour, as sometimes happens. How should you behave in order to not spend every single evening arguing over the meaning of "bother neighbour" with the police? A more rigid definition serves to protect you, not just your neighbour.
Dah00n 3y ago
Rule: Loud noises not allowed after 20:00 unless permission have been given from neighbours. No loud noises after 23. Much better than a guideline in my opinion.
- nikau 3y ago
  And how do you confirm all neighbours have agreed? What's the radius for neighbours? What about extortion to get neighbors to agree? Status quo is much simpler - it's banned but if neighbours all agree have a late party and police aren't called
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    >Status quo is much simpler - it's banned but if neighbours all agree have a late party and police aren't called How is that any different to what I just wrote? In your own example, the "What's the radius" and "How do you confirm all have agreed" is no different either.
    - nikau 3y ago
      because your rule is impossible to enforce.
- ilyt 3y ago
  I don't disagree but running around neighbourhood with piece of paper titled "permission to party" and asking people to sign it would feel weird.
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    This isn't a court, so no need for a paper trail. Rules are already like this in many flat complexes - I'd say most even, here in Denmark: No loud noise after X except with neighbour permission. Silence after Y.
    - ilyt 3y ago
      Right till neighbour changes their mind and pisses on your verbal agreement and you have nothing to go by.

Dah00n 3y ago

>At places where the rule was enforced people simply continue their night somewhere without live music. Live music doesn't / didn't attract more people in closer proximity than areas with no live music? Did everyone still go to the same place and sat there in silence? That sounds very unlikely, but I have never been to Turkey. >It made no sense in the context of Covid, it made sense in the context of islamist trying to destroy the non-islamists. This is tied to the above, but who made the consensus that this was the point of the rule? Without a source of the consensus and to someone who have never been there it flies in the face of logic. Surely fewer people would go to, say, a British park Saturday evening if there's no music event there than if there is a band playing. Without some context, it reads to me like this post is anti-islamist and bashing Turkey for a rule that seem to have been enforced in one way or another in most of the west under COVID. As far as I know, every festival was shut down and events with music or other entertainment had to jump through lots of hoops or be shutdown too. How is this rule different?