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Putin is toast. I'm not sure what Prigozhin's chances of successfully pulling off a coup are (nonzero?), but Russia has been heading for an unambiguous militar

by patrec 3y ago

Putin is toast. I'm not sure what Prigozhin's chances of successfully pulling off a coup are (nonzero?), but Russia has been heading for an unambiguous military loss for a while already and now is looking at a complete military disaster (loss of Crimea is on the table), even if Putin manages to bring Wagner under control. I don't see how this is politically survivable. What's the spin? "Ok, I sacrificed tens of thousands of Russians on a catastrophic invasion, but at least I managed to stop a coup from my career-criminal personal cook (whom I also outsourced a good part of the war effort under his blatantly unconstitutional private military outfit to)."? I have long thought the West should be a lot more scared about what it's going to look like if the country with the world's largest nuclear arsenal becomes completely destabilized. Seems like we're going to find out.

throwaway290 3y ago
Posts by Prigozhin are censored in Russian social media but those who access uncensored media like Telegram knew everything for very long time already. It is likely that Prigozhin will be taken care of, but if not this does not bode well for Russia or Russians. Or for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Note how he is always careful to say he does not mean to distract Russian forces from attacking Ukraine. And if he takes over chances are he can actually improve military, which no thanks
- gdy 3y ago
  Everyone in Russia can read him on telegram [0]. [0] https://t.me/Prigozhin_hat https://t.me/Prigozhin_hat
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    This is a fake. Another proof that random Telegram posts and channels are not to be trusted.
    - gdy 3y ago
      You are right [0], here is official Prigozhin's channel [1] with twice as many subscribers (1.2M). [0] https://bloknot.ru/politika/prigozhin-telegram-kanaly-kepka-prigozhina-i-evgenij-prigozhin-v-telegram-ne-imeyut-ko-mne-otnosheniya-1010305.html https://bloknot.ru/politika/prigozhin-telegram-kanaly-kepka-... [1] https://t.me/concordgroup_official https://t.me/concordgroup_official

by patrec 3y ago

throwaway290 3y ago

Posts by Prigozhin are censored in Russian social media but those who access uncensored media like Telegram knew everything for very long time already. It is likely that Prigozhin will be taken care of, but if not this does not bode well for Russia or Russians. Or for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Note how he is always careful to say he does not mean to distract Russian forces from attacking Ukraine. And if he takes over chances are he can actually improve military, which no thanks

gdy 3y ago
Everyone in Russia can read him on telegram [0]. [0] https://t.me/Prigozhin_hat https://t.me/Prigozhin_hat
- throwaway290 3y ago
  This is a fake. Another proof that random Telegram posts and channels are not to be trusted.
  - gdy 3y ago
    You are right [0], here is official Prigozhin's channel [1] with twice as many subscribers (1.2M). [0] https://bloknot.ru/politika/prigozhin-telegram-kanaly-kepka-prigozhina-i-evgenij-prigozhin-v-telegram-ne-imeyut-ko-mne-otnosheniya-1010305.html https://bloknot.ru/politika/prigozhin-telegram-kanaly-kepka-... [1] https://t.me/concordgroup_official https://t.me/concordgroup_official