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If you didn't think a bicycle violated the rule, what about an e-bike? Or a fully battery-powered bike that doesn't require pedaling?

by raldi 3y ago

MontyCarloHall 3y ago
Those are exactly the questions the quiz should have asked, not clearly absurd examples that are unambiguously not vehicles in the park, like the ISS passing over the park.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  Yeah that’s what I expected. Not a bunch of silly questions, but actually ambiguous ones
  - growse 3y ago
    > Yeah that’s what I expected. Not a bunch of silly questions, but actually ambiguous ones The fact that there's no clear consensus on most of the questions means they are ambiguous, no?
    - bowsamic 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - whelp_24 3y ago
        This is a mix of ad hominem and no true Scotsman. And the iss had a clear purpose, if space is excluded, and civics are included, how high counts as "in the park"?
        bowsamic 3y ago
        [flagged]
      - growse 3y ago
        Wow, it's been a while since I saw a genuine "my opinion is objectively right" in the wild.
        bowsamic 3y ago
        [flagged]
TaylorAlexander 3y ago
I love my fully battery powered ebike but I am well aware they are prohibited pretty much everywhere. When filling out the form I figured a bike is not a vehicle because they tend to be explicitly spelled out, but ebikes are more often prohibited (though in my area, not enforced), and my overpowered ebike is illegal everywhere, but I am respectful of others and there is no enforcement.
- raldi 3y ago
  What about a bike that can provide thrust without pedaling, but you're not making use of that feature in the park?
  - TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    Generally it is too difficult to enforce whether someone was or was not using a feature so in my area (SF Bay Area) they would just outlaw anything with a capability to do something undesired, regardless of whether it was being used. The thinking would go that if they catch someone they can point to the feature and say "you're breaking the law". No need to prove the feature was in use. Plus if you let people in with a bike with some undesired feature, people are going to end up using it and that would be what such a law would be trying to avoid.
- 9dev 3y ago
  You made the assumption the start screen explicitly asked users to not make, that is apply their local laws to the question.
  - TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    I don't see it as applying my local laws. Everywhere I have ever seen that I can recall will explicitly spell out bicycles if they are prohibited. I have never seen a prohibition on "vehicles" that included bicycles. So I applied my understanding of the word vehicle. Of course I have not seen everywhere in the world, and the whole point of the survey is that people have to apply their own perspectives in order to even make a judgement, and this is the problem of content moderation.

If you didn't think a bicycle violated the rule, what about an e-bike? Or a fully battery-powered bike that doesn't require pedaling?

by raldi 3y ago

If you didn't think a bicycle violated the rule, what about an e-bike? Or a fully battery-powered bike that doesn't require pedaling?

MontyCarloHall 3y ago

Those are exactly the questions the quiz should have asked, not clearly absurd examples that are unambiguously not vehicles in the park, like the ISS passing over the park.

bowsamic 3y ago
Yeah that’s what I expected. Not a bunch of silly questions, but actually ambiguous ones
- growse 3y ago
  > Yeah that’s what I expected. Not a bunch of silly questions, but actually ambiguous ones The fact that there's no clear consensus on most of the questions means they are ambiguous, no?
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - whelp_24 3y ago
      This is a mix of ad hominem and no true Scotsman. And the iss had a clear purpose, if space is excluded, and civics are included, how high counts as "in the park"?
      - bowsamic 3y ago
        [flagged]
    - growse 3y ago
      Wow, it's been a while since I saw a genuine "my opinion is objectively right" in the wild.
      - bowsamic 3y ago
        [flagged]

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

I love my fully battery powered ebike but I am well aware they are prohibited pretty much everywhere. When filling out the form I figured a bike is not a vehicle because they tend to be explicitly spelled out, but ebikes are more often prohibited (though in my area, not enforced), and my overpowered ebike is illegal everywhere, but I am respectful of others and there is no enforcement.

raldi 3y ago
What about a bike that can provide thrust without pedaling, but you're not making use of that feature in the park?
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  Generally it is too difficult to enforce whether someone was or was not using a feature so in my area (SF Bay Area) they would just outlaw anything with a capability to do something undesired, regardless of whether it was being used. The thinking would go that if they catch someone they can point to the feature and say "you're breaking the law". No need to prove the feature was in use. Plus if you let people in with a bike with some undesired feature, people are going to end up using it and that would be what such a law would be trying to avoid.
9dev 3y ago
You made the assumption the start screen explicitly asked users to not make, that is apply their local laws to the question.
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  I don't see it as applying my local laws. Everywhere I have ever seen that I can recall will explicitly spell out bicycles if they are prohibited. I have never seen a prohibition on "vehicles" that included bicycles. So I applied my understanding of the word vehicle. Of course I have not seen everywhere in the world, and the whole point of the survey is that people have to apply their own perspectives in order to even make a judgement, and this is the problem of content moderation.