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A strange document. Clearly written for public release but containing reactions of apparently sensitive clarification markings. Moreover it contains absolutely

A strange document. Clearly written for public release but containing reactions of apparently sensitive clarification markings. Moreover it contains absolutely nothing of well publicized US involvement in relevant coronavirus research with WIV. I'm definitely curious of what DOE facilities have scientists and researchers who would have useful opinions on coronavirus. This article just reminded me more of that question. Very strange paper.

photochemsyn 3y ago
DOE lab Sandia at least was closely involved with analysis of the anthrax powder in the letters mailed to Senators Daschle and Leahy on 10/09/2001. Note that this research didn't support the Bruce Ivins hypothesis as he didn't have the technical capacity required: > "Not only did the Sandia researchers spot silicon, they also found tin, oxygen, and iron all within the spore. The researchers, led by Sandia chemist Joseph Michael, have presented their findings at various scientific meetings since 2008, reporting the presence of all the elements found. But because silicon had always been in the investigative limelight, tin never got much attention. Until now. The new paper puts the spotlight on tin, which the authors claim has been brushed under the carpet by FBI investigators. The FBI has "avoided public mention of the extraordinary presence of Tin," the paper says." https://www.science.org/content/article/new-challenge-fbis-anthrax-investigation-lends-ear-tin https://www.science.org/content/article/new-challenge-fbis-a... While it's perhaps not widely known, the DOE National Labs have the best technical capabilities for investigating anything related to nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons whether of nation-state, terrorist-group, or lone-nut origin.
shusaku 3y ago
It’s amazing that we’re literally talking about a major geopolitical rival’s negligence leading to the deaths of millions of people, but the right wing talking point continues to be “how can we pin this on Fauci?” Americans have been taught to hate each other more than anyone else.
- civilitty 3y ago
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  - dang 3y ago
    Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. You've posted good comments in the past, so this should be easy to fix.
    - civilitty 3y ago
      beep boop I will tweak the RLHF. d(dang)/dt++
      - deleted 3y ago
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- splendor_spoon 3y ago
  Conservatives need for the lab leak theory to be correct as they were wrong about basically all other points on covid. They refused to believe in masks, lockdowns, and social distancing and paid the ultimate price at a much higher rate. [0] [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing...
  - hsjqllzlfkf 3y ago
    > Conservatives need for the lab leak theory to be correct as they were wrong about basically all other points on covid This is the most persuasive point I've read on HN the entire week, thank you.
    - 3y ago
kyrra 3y ago
Look into the history of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and the Z Division. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-Division https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-Division From another source: > The program also provides innovative analysis to anticipate new and developing terrorist threats involving the use of chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, and explosive weapons and investigate opportunities to counter them. Z Program also works to understand the state of foreign weapons of mass destruction programs; informs U.S. counterproliferation decisions, policies, and efforts; and develops supporting technology solutions to dissuade or prevent states from acquiring WMD-related technologies, materials, and expertise. Basically their nuclear expertise plus the Cold war (and 9/11) caused them to become a central actor within the US government to look into biological, chemical, and related weapons. So they have a lot of cross discipline expertise there now. Edit: also see: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/01/z-division-secret-team-scientists-investigated-covid-19-origins/11364009002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/01/z-di...

photochemsyn 3y ago

DOE lab Sandia at least was closely involved with analysis of the anthrax powder in the letters mailed to Senators Daschle and Leahy on 10/09/2001. Note that this research didn't support the Bruce Ivins hypothesis as he didn't have the technical capacity required: > "Not only did the Sandia researchers spot silicon, they also found tin, oxygen, and iron all within the spore. The researchers, led by Sandia chemist Joseph Michael, have presented their findings at various scientific meetings since 2008, reporting the presence of all the elements found. But because silicon had always been in the investigative limelight, tin never got much attention. Until now. The new paper puts the spotlight on tin, which the authors claim has been brushed under the carpet by FBI investigators. The FBI has "avoided public mention of the extraordinary presence of Tin," the paper says." https://www.science.org/content/article/new-challenge-fbis-anthrax-investigation-lends-ear-tin https://www.science.org/content/article/new-challenge-fbis-a... While it's perhaps not widely known, the DOE National Labs have the best technical capabilities for investigating anything related to nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons whether of nation-state, terrorist-group, or lone-nut origin.

shusaku 3y ago

It’s amazing that we’re literally talking about a major geopolitical rival’s negligence leading to the deaths of millions of people, but the right wing talking point continues to be “how can we pin this on Fauci?” Americans have been taught to hate each other more than anyone else.

civilitty 3y ago
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- dang 3y ago
  Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. You've posted good comments in the past, so this should be easy to fix.
  - civilitty 3y ago
    beep boop I will tweak the RLHF. d(dang)/dt++
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
splendor_spoon 3y ago
Conservatives need for the lab leak theory to be correct as they were wrong about basically all other points on covid. They refused to believe in masks, lockdowns, and social distancing and paid the ultimate price at a much higher rate. [0] [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing...
- hsjqllzlfkf 3y ago
  > Conservatives need for the lab leak theory to be correct as they were wrong about basically all other points on covid This is the most persuasive point I've read on HN the entire week, thank you.
  - 3y ago

kyrra 3y ago

Look into the history of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and the Z Division. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-Division https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-Division From another source: > The program also provides innovative analysis to anticipate new and developing terrorist threats involving the use of chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, and explosive weapons and investigate opportunities to counter them. Z Program also works to understand the state of foreign weapons of mass destruction programs; informs U.S. counterproliferation decisions, policies, and efforts; and develops supporting technology solutions to dissuade or prevent states from acquiring WMD-related technologies, materials, and expertise. Basically their nuclear expertise plus the Cold war (and 9/11) caused them to become a central actor within the US government to look into biological, chemical, and related weapons. So they have a lot of cross discipline expertise there now. Edit: also see: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/01/z-division-secret-team-scientists-investigated-covid-19-origins/11364009002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/01/z-di...