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This proves that deliberately bad instructions produce bad results. That's not surprising. If this included a definition of a vehicle, and asked if a vehicle w

This proves that deliberately bad instructions produce bad results. That's not surprising. If this included a definition of a vehicle, and asked if a vehicle was in the park, I'd expect consistent answers outside of the oddball aircraft and space station questions. I'd note my local park has such a rule, and the sign has pictures of what are and are not allowed, including a picture of a drone.

jjcon 3y ago
That is exactly the point - who defines racism? sexism? Moderators are going to disagree because of how nebulous those terms are
- mint2 3y ago
  The world isn’t black and white. It’s typically shades of gray and requires judgement, discretion. And consequences of breaking a rule or law require even more judgement. The world isn’t a “smart”contract.
  - jjcon 3y ago
    Precisely well said
sangnoir 3y ago
> This proves that deliberately bad instructions produce bad results. That's not surprising. Here's a common example from real life: "No pornography". Even SCOTUS famously couldn't define obscenity ("I know it when I see it")
- n8cpdx 3y ago
  Is “No pornography” a rule? It doesn’t specify any prohibited action and on its own isn’t a complete thought, let alone a rule. “I know it when I see it” was in reference to _hardcore pornography_, not obscenity. The Miller Test deals with obscenity perfectly well.
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    > Is “No pornography” a rule? It doesn’t specify any prohibited action and on its own isn’t a complete thought, let alone a rule. If you were to open a subreddit, or walk up to a library computer/print shop counter and saw "No Pornography" under rules - would you be unable to figure out what's being asked of you? If so, then that seems like a complete thought and a perfectly comprehendible rule to me.
- anikom15 3y ago
  It’s a legitimate definition though. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. There are many fundamental things that can’t be defined, where we have to rely on social norms and common sense.
daveoc64 3y ago
>I'd note my local park has such a rule, and the sign has pictures of what are and are not allowed, including a picture of a drone. What happens if the sign in your park was made in 1995, when drones, electric scooters, and electric bikes didn't exist or were not commonly used? It's not possible to list every possible vehicle in existence, and to keep such a list updated. There are all sorts of weird things like electric unicycles, that most people haven't come across.
- nitwit005 3y ago
  What happens is they have to update a sign every couple of decades.
  - sethammons 3y ago
    Taxes
wvenable 3y ago
Vehicle is a word with a dictionary definition -- why does it need to have a definition included? Would that definition not include other words, would those also need to be defined?
- mint2 3y ago
  No pill capsules in the park then? aren’t they a vehicle for delivering medicine?
  - elishah 3y ago
    Better not bring in the deed to your house, either. That's clearly an investment vehicle.
- xdennis 3y ago
  That's not how the law typically works. Laws provide their own definitions because dictionaries describe how the language is typically used, not in a precise manner.

jjcon 3y ago

That is exactly the point - who defines racism? sexism? Moderators are going to disagree because of how nebulous those terms are

mint2 3y ago
The world isn’t black and white. It’s typically shades of gray and requires judgement, discretion. And consequences of breaking a rule or law require even more judgement. The world isn’t a “smart”contract.
- jjcon 3y ago
  Precisely well said

sangnoir 3y ago

> This proves that deliberately bad instructions produce bad results. That's not surprising. Here's a common example from real life: "No pornography". Even SCOTUS famously couldn't define obscenity ("I know it when I see it")

n8cpdx 3y ago
Is “No pornography” a rule? It doesn’t specify any prohibited action and on its own isn’t a complete thought, let alone a rule. “I know it when I see it” was in reference to _hardcore pornography_, not obscenity. The Miller Test deals with obscenity perfectly well.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  > Is “No pornography” a rule? It doesn’t specify any prohibited action and on its own isn’t a complete thought, let alone a rule. If you were to open a subreddit, or walk up to a library computer/print shop counter and saw "No Pornography" under rules - would you be unable to figure out what's being asked of you? If so, then that seems like a complete thought and a perfectly comprehendible rule to me.
anikom15 3y ago
It’s a legitimate definition though. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. There are many fundamental things that can’t be defined, where we have to rely on social norms and common sense.

daveoc64 3y ago

>I'd note my local park has such a rule, and the sign has pictures of what are and are not allowed, including a picture of a drone. What happens if the sign in your park was made in 1995, when drones, electric scooters, and electric bikes didn't exist or were not commonly used? It's not possible to list every possible vehicle in existence, and to keep such a list updated. There are all sorts of weird things like electric unicycles, that most people haven't come across.

nitwit005 3y ago
What happens is they have to update a sign every couple of decades.
- sethammons 3y ago
  Taxes

wvenable 3y ago

Vehicle is a word with a dictionary definition -- why does it need to have a definition included? Would that definition not include other words, would those also need to be defined?

mint2 3y ago
No pill capsules in the park then? aren’t they a vehicle for delivering medicine?
- elishah 3y ago
  Better not bring in the deed to your house, either. That's clearly an investment vehicle.
xdennis 3y ago
That's not how the law typically works. Laws provide their own definitions because dictionaries describe how the language is typically used, not in a precise manner.