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Was this us (Fly.io)? I'm not sure how many companies give the 2 hour guideline, but we definitely do. We don't fail take homes because of edge cases though. T

by mrkurt 3y ago

Was this us (Fly.io)? I'm not sure how many companies give the 2 hour guideline, but we definitely do. We don't fail take homes because of edge cases though. There are things we expect people to handle in the challenges that are important, but I don't think more/less time really influences those.

scarface_74 3y ago
Please don’t tell me that the compensation ranges I’m seeing for fly.io are accurate - between $130k - $170K. Those are standard enterprise CRUD salaries. I’m not trying to be demeaning. Those are the kinds of jobs I had most of my career until 2020. But they are a dime a dozen and I definitely wouldn’t do a take home test for one.
- mrkurt 3y ago
  Most of our jobs are ~$120-215k base salary. The equity compensation is typically 3-4x that.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    I value “equity” in a private company at $0.
    - mrkurt 3y ago
      Yeah you should not work here. That's a completely reasonable stance.
      - seadan83 3y ago
        From the data that I could find, it's perhaps at best 10% of all tech companies that even go public (and very possibly as few as 1%). It's far more reasonable to assume a company is the 90% or 99% of companies that do not go public rather than anything else. My experiences are the same that equity in private companies is not significant. Worse yet, in all of my experiences the private equity I could have bought or did buy were all 100% losses. [1] https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-Tech-startups-either-go-public-or-get-acquired/answer/Sebastyan-Papp-1 https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-Tech-startups-eithe... On a different topic, I think your response mrkurt is a violation of the commentary guidelines: - "Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." - "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."
        scarface_74 3y ago
        He was responding to me and that’s a very reasonable response. When I was in the market for your standard enterprise CRUD Enterprise dev jobs, I would have taken a cash compensation of $150K - $160K and zeroed out the equity. What I wouldn’t do is jump through any hoops like a take home test when jobs in that pay range are (were? I don’t know what the current market is like) a dime a dozen and I could just do one phone screen and a soft skills interview for half a day and get a job making that much. If a company expects me to jump through hoops that take more time, the resulting reward need to be commensurate with that. But not all jobs are for all people.
        mrkurt 3y ago
        Oh, I guess that could sound snarky. I wasn't feeling snarky, though. We are the wrong place for a lot of people to work.
- CoastalCoder 3y ago
  I've been job searching for the past few months. Advertised salary ranges seem to skew lower than 6 months ago.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not so deep in the tech bubble that I don’t realize that $120K-$170K is the the standard range that most of the 2.7 million developers in the US make. I was one of them for decades until 2020. But at least from around 2002- 2008 and 2012-2022, if you have experience in a mainstream stack, and you live in a major metropolitan area in the US you could easily get a job that pays in that range without even coding interview, let alone a take home test.

by mrkurt 3y ago

scarface_74 3y ago

Please don’t tell me that the compensation ranges I’m seeing for fly.io are accurate - between $130k - $170K. Those are standard enterprise CRUD salaries. I’m not trying to be demeaning. Those are the kinds of jobs I had most of my career until 2020. But they are a dime a dozen and I definitely wouldn’t do a take home test for one.

mrkurt 3y ago
Most of our jobs are ~$120-215k base salary. The equity compensation is typically 3-4x that.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  I value “equity” in a private company at $0.
  - mrkurt 3y ago
    Yeah you should not work here. That's a completely reasonable stance.
    - seadan83 3y ago
      From the data that I could find, it's perhaps at best 10% of all tech companies that even go public (and very possibly as few as 1%). It's far more reasonable to assume a company is the 90% or 99% of companies that do not go public rather than anything else. My experiences are the same that equity in private companies is not significant. Worse yet, in all of my experiences the private equity I could have bought or did buy were all 100% losses. [1] https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-Tech-startups-either-go-public-or-get-acquired/answer/Sebastyan-Papp-1 https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-Tech-startups-eithe... On a different topic, I think your response mrkurt is a violation of the commentary guidelines: - "Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." - "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        He was responding to me and that’s a very reasonable response. When I was in the market for your standard enterprise CRUD Enterprise dev jobs, I would have taken a cash compensation of $150K - $160K and zeroed out the equity. What I wouldn’t do is jump through any hoops like a take home test when jobs in that pay range are (were? I don’t know what the current market is like) a dime a dozen and I could just do one phone screen and a soft skills interview for half a day and get a job making that much. If a company expects me to jump through hoops that take more time, the resulting reward need to be commensurate with that. But not all jobs are for all people.
      - mrkurt 3y ago
        Oh, I guess that could sound snarky. I wasn't feeling snarky, though. We are the wrong place for a lot of people to work.
CoastalCoder 3y ago
I've been job searching for the past few months. Advertised salary ranges seem to skew lower than 6 months ago.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Don’t get me wrong. I’m not so deep in the tech bubble that I don’t realize that $120K-$170K is the the standard range that most of the 2.7 million developers in the US make. I was one of them for decades until 2020. But at least from around 2002- 2008 and 2012-2022, if you have experience in a mainstream stack, and you live in a major metropolitan area in the US you could easily get a job that pays in that range without even coding interview, let alone a take home test.