> The Rust fans will quickly jump in and tell you that if you need cycles, your program is wrong and you're just not a good enough programmer I have absolutely

> The Rust fans will quickly jump in and tell you that if you need cycles, your program is wrong and you're just not a good enough programmer I have absolutely never heard a Rust fan say this. AFAICT the fact that cyclic data structures are hard to write is widely accepted within the community as one of the negative tradeoffs of the language. If you’re talking to people who claim that any language is better than all others in every possible way, for every possible use case, then they are zealots whose opinion can be ignored.