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Jesus christ almighty. Straight up blow a stop sign onto an incoming car. Why are self driving cars all that great anyway? I'm all for going back to driving st

by dmbche 3y ago

Jesus christ almighty. Straight up blow a stop sign onto an incoming car. Why are self driving cars all that great anyway? I'm all for going back to driving stick.

ribosometronome 3y ago
One day they'll be safer than human drivers. But billionaires cutting corners with safety to move fast developing their fancy tin cans and getting people killed seems to be theme this week.
- HarryHirsch 3y ago
  One day they'll be safer than human drivers. That'll be the time when computers have developed sentience and an understanding of the outside world. Driving is a cooperative effort, it requires intelligence, and a theory of mind. A few years ago there was that video where a Tesla kept slowing down because it identified the Moon as a yellow traffic light, and there was this other occasion where it drove behind a truck that had loaded traffic lights and kept identifying those. That would need to stop first.
  - Shaanie 3y ago
    No, it wouldn't necessarily have to. Self-driving cars are going to fail in ways that seem very stupid to us, but they might handle "normal" accident-prone situations much better than humans and thus be much safer overall.
    - HarryHirsch 3y ago
      Unless the AI has state and a model of the world (including a model of mind of the other drivers) it won't be able to anticipate dangers. It's going to be as bad as any teenager who has just mastered the controls but nothing else. Such a person is perfectly capable of keeping a straight lane on the highway (note - that's what today's driver assist systems are good for) but nothing else. You wouldn't want to be near them in traffic (doesn't everyone keep double distance from jerky drivers with L plates?) and you wouldn't trust them in dense traffic. You can see that at the point where the Tesla busts through the stop sign - any normal person would associate a stop sign with danger and proceed with caution, except of course the teenager with L plates. Current AI is better than a drunk teenager, but that's too low a bar. Driving sober, well-rested and in daytime (driving during the day also keeps you away from all the other drunkards) is actually remarkable safe. Remember that the safest mode of travel per journey is not the airplane, it's the motorcoach.
jdeibele 3y ago
I finally (after a year) got my Bolt EUV with the lesser (200,000 miles of roads instead of 400,000) version of GM's SuperCruise. I've used it to drive 250 miles for a long weekend with my wife, then the 250 miles back home. Volunteered down state and the car drove almost all of the 120 miles to get me there, spent the day, then it drove me almost all of the way home. I found myself much less fatigued after driving than I normally am. Also switched recently to one-pedal driving, which means that the car slows down if you lift off the accelerator pedal. You almost never need to use the brake pedal. It's not the same feeling as driving a stick, where you're using all 4 limbs, but it makes me feel connected in a similar way. I would be interested in the statistics on rear-end collisions with one-pedal driving as opposed to normal cars, because the car doesn't coast while somebody is looking at their phone. It just feels different.

by dmbche 3y ago

Jesus christ almighty. Straight up blow a stop sign onto an incoming car. Why are self driving cars all that great anyway? I'm all for going back to driving stick.

ribosometronome 3y ago

One day they'll be safer than human drivers. But billionaires cutting corners with safety to move fast developing their fancy tin cans and getting people killed seems to be theme this week.

HarryHirsch 3y ago
One day they'll be safer than human drivers. That'll be the time when computers have developed sentience and an understanding of the outside world. Driving is a cooperative effort, it requires intelligence, and a theory of mind. A few years ago there was that video where a Tesla kept slowing down because it identified the Moon as a yellow traffic light, and there was this other occasion where it drove behind a truck that had loaded traffic lights and kept identifying those. That would need to stop first.
- Shaanie 3y ago
  No, it wouldn't necessarily have to. Self-driving cars are going to fail in ways that seem very stupid to us, but they might handle "normal" accident-prone situations much better than humans and thus be much safer overall.
  - HarryHirsch 3y ago
    Unless the AI has state and a model of the world (including a model of mind of the other drivers) it won't be able to anticipate dangers. It's going to be as bad as any teenager who has just mastered the controls but nothing else. Such a person is perfectly capable of keeping a straight lane on the highway (note - that's what today's driver assist systems are good for) but nothing else. You wouldn't want to be near them in traffic (doesn't everyone keep double distance from jerky drivers with L plates?) and you wouldn't trust them in dense traffic. You can see that at the point where the Tesla busts through the stop sign - any normal person would associate a stop sign with danger and proceed with caution, except of course the teenager with L plates. Current AI is better than a drunk teenager, but that's too low a bar. Driving sober, well-rested and in daytime (driving during the day also keeps you away from all the other drunkards) is actually remarkable safe. Remember that the safest mode of travel per journey is not the airplane, it's the motorcoach.

jdeibele 3y ago

I finally (after a year) got my Bolt EUV with the lesser (200,000 miles of roads instead of 400,000) version of GM's SuperCruise. I've used it to drive 250 miles for a long weekend with my wife, then the 250 miles back home. Volunteered down state and the car drove almost all of the 120 miles to get me there, spent the day, then it drove me almost all of the way home. I found myself much less fatigued after driving than I normally am. Also switched recently to one-pedal driving, which means that the car slows down if you lift off the accelerator pedal. You almost never need to use the brake pedal. It's not the same feeling as driving a stick, where you're using all 4 limbs, but it makes me feel connected in a similar way. I would be interested in the statistics on rear-end collisions with one-pedal driving as opposed to normal cars, because the car doesn't coast while somebody is looking at their phone. It just feels different.