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Tesla FSD Beta ignores stop sign in live test with Ross Gerber and Dan O’Dowd [video]
- paulryanrogers 3y agoPretty dramatic, it didn't even slow down despite the clear warning sign before the also clear stop sign itself.
- petee 3y agoNot just the stop sign; deciding to sneak behind a truck backing up seems pretty dumb
- ribosometronome 3y agoBy crossing over a double yellow line. Now, in real life, maybe the guy would be an ass and endanger everyone else but pretty crazy to put that behavior in a self driving car.
- aeternum 3y agoEspecially since it's a double yellow line
- christoph 3y agoAlso, you can very clearly see at 1:10 a 35mph speed limit sign, while the speedo clearly says 39.
- bscphil 3y agoIt clearly spooks the driver - he pulls the wheel hard manually to the right to get back in the correct lane after FSD veers around the truck.
- dmbche 3y agoJesus christ almighty. Straight up blow a stop sign onto an incoming car. Why are self driving cars all that great anyway? I'm all for going back to driving stick.
- ribosometronome 3y agoOne day they'll be safer than human drivers. But billionaires cutting corners with safety to move fast developing their fancy tin cans and getting people killed seems to be theme this week.
- HarryHirsch 3y agoOne day they'll be safer than human drivers. That'll be the time when computers have developed sentience and an understanding of the outside world. Driving is a cooperative effort, it requires intelligence, and a theory of mind. A few years ago there was that video where a Tesla kept slowing down because it identified the Moon as a yellow traffic light, and there was this other occasion where it drove behind a truck that had loaded traffic lights and kept identifying those. That would need to stop first.
- Shaanie 3y agoNo, it wouldn't necessarily have to. Self-driving cars are going to fail in ways that seem very stupid to us, but they might handle "normal" accident-prone situations much better than humans and thus be much safer overall.
- HarryHirsch 3y agoUnless the AI has state and a model of the world (including a model of mind of the other drivers) it won't be able to anticipate dangers. It's going to be as bad as any teenager who has just mastered the controls but nothing else. Such a person is perfectly capable of keeping a straight lane on the highway (note - that's what today's driver assist systems are good for) but nothing else. You wouldn't want to be near them in traffic (doesn't everyone keep double distance from jerky drivers with L plates?) and you wouldn't trust them in dense traffic. You can see that at the point where the Tesla busts through the stop sign - any normal person would associate a stop sign with danger and proceed with caution, except of course the teenager with L plates. Current AI is better than a drunk teenager, but that's too low a bar. Driving sober, well-rested and in daytime (driving during the day also keeps you away from all the other drunkards) is actually remarkable safe. Remember that the safest mode of travel per journey is not the airplane, it's the motorcoach.
- TheAlchemist 3y agoAnd the best part is that both reinforced their opinions at the end of this ride: https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1672325190112641024?s=20 https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1672325190112641024?... https://twitter.com/GerberKawasaki/status/1672320881291558912?s=20 https://twitter.com/GerberKawasaki/status/167232088129155891... On of them, has a vested financial interest in promoting Tesla stock.
- ec109685 3y agoAnd one the opposite.
- binkHN 3y agoWow. He had to brake pretty hard to not crash. In FSD’s defense, maybe, the stop sign only appeared shortly after the curve, but I would have expected it to fare much better.
- cbsks 3y agoThere was a “stop ahead” sign. Normal people wouldn’t have had an issue.
- aeternum 3y agoThere was was also a 'stop ahead' sign that FSD seemed to completely ignore. Very dangerous to accelerate into that blind corner given the warning sign.
- valine 3y agoFSD uses both maps and vision to detect stop signs. This can happen when the stop sign is both obscured by a curve and not present in the map. Would be interesting to know how old the intersection is. I'm guessing the stop sign was added or moved recently. The obvious fix is to detect the "Stop Ahead" sign. Hard to defend FSD, they really need to add that functionality.
- lokar 3y agoThere was a sign warning of the stop before the bend
- JamesSwift 3y agoYeah but even then, why didnt FSD take evasive maneuvers to avoid the crash?
- Ekaros 3y agoShouldn't FSD drive at speed that it can stop on visible bit of road? So if there is a bend it should only go as fast as visible space allows?
- mvdtnz 3y ago"In real life I woulda just gone by him". This is the mindset of these assholes driving beta software on public roads. THIS IS REAL LIFE. Those other people in the cars you see? They're real people and you are risking their lives and limbs by testing bad software on the open road. These people are the scum of the Earth.
- lokar 3y agoYes. Double yellow lines mean something. They are there for a reason. That guy is a jerk.
- systemvoltage 3y agoI'd like the roads to be safer as well. Potholes and inoperable stop lights are rampant in Bay Area and generally in California.
- rickyc091 3y agoI can't tell from the video, but it looks like his foot may be on accelerator. While FSD Beta is active and you press on the accelerator it acts as a fast forward and will plow through signs and lights. The accelerator acts as a take over allowing you to get over dangerous situations where it may stop in the middle of the road. That said, I've definitely seen it run stop signs, so it's not uncommon.
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- HarryHirsch 3y agoThe difference between this and the submarine is that there is less risk of instant death for the Tesla driver, he externalizes it on cyclists and pedestrians. If anything good is to come from the Titan sinking it should be a good hard look at Tesla's autopilot.
- sidibe 3y agoI'm always assured by fans that it's the bad examples that make it online even though its always big Tesla fans posting the videos. Here's a skeptic and a fan on a short drive and a little more evidence for FSD still being quite bad.
- tophi 3y agoIf it was a flawless run, you wouldn’t see it on here. If there are actual FSD fatalities, don’t you think they’d be all over the news?
- _2z1p 3y agoThe most disgusting thing is everyone else sharing the road with these self driving cars are all non consenting beta testers in this.
- matthewfelgate 3y agoRoads are shared space. It's disgusting there are bad drivers, drunk drivers and SUVs driving our streets. I suggest if we want to make driving safer: - Better street design. - Ban SUVs. - Seatbelts required for engine start. - Mandatory breathalysers in all cars. Agree?
- javagram 3y ago> Mandatory breathalysers in all cars. In 2026 drunk driving detection technology will become mandatory for new cars https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/i-team-dui-alcohol-detection-system-infrastructure-bill/ https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/i-team-dui-alcohol-detec...
- Justsignedup 3y agoThe danger is that a normal driver would start breaking. But we don't know what the fsd would do so the breaking happened far too late. This should not be on the roads. How is this permitted. This will kill someone.
- tophi 3y agohow many people die to car wrecks each day? What % are using Tesla FSD and what % of all miles driven are Tesla FSD? This is what I’d like to know.
- Shaanie 3y agoYou'll have to correct for more variables than that, since presumably the average Tesla FSD driver is going to look quite different than the average driver.
- svet_0 3y agoO'Dowd picked this route specifically to fail FSD, as he obviously has a financial interest and a vendetta against Musk. It was clear as day Gerber was gonna get tricked but he didn't care. As can be seen in hundreds of uncut hours of driving, FSD is already pretty good and improving fast. Most rides don't req