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This is absurd. It makes no sense. I'm calling psyop.

by fwungy 3y ago

dzhiurgis 3y ago
Could be form of surrendering troops from Ukraine without loosing face or “excuse” for tactical nukes or dogwhistle for US spies to aid the revolution
_V_ 3y ago
Who knows, too soon. But Prigozhin did seemingly lose to Shoigu earlier when Putin agreed to have all the "external" soldiers to be under the ShoiguúMoD command. So this may very well be the final fight between the two.
valine 3y ago
It could be a psyop, but it's far from absurd. Tensions between Yevgeny Prigozhin and Putin have been high. Most notable were the public threats from Wagner to pull out of Bakhmut due to lack of supplies. If anyone has the potential to seize power away from Putin, it's Prigozhin. Prigozhin has an army, one which is vital to Putin's war effort. Do you really think Prigozhin wouldn't turn on Putin given the opportunity?
int_19h 3y ago
If this is absurd, why has it been predicted for several months now by the likes of Strelkov?
bawolff 3y ago
I wouldn't say none. If you're going to plan a coup, do it well the military is distracted.
- nurandal 3y ago
  true: but looking at whats being posted on telegram and twitter, it looks like the russian security services (which probably weren't affected by the russian army recruitment draft) still have a lot of people (and brand new shiny jeeps and afvs, despite the shortage of new vehicles in ukraine for them).
viraptor 3y ago
It's easy to call something a psyop, but have you got a specific reason why this would be done? It's not like that would confuse their enemy in any way, same areas need reclaiming anyway, same troops can be observed. "There's internal conflict" has been known for a while and unless there's practical impact, it doesn't seem to affect what Ukraine needs to do.
- psychphysic 3y ago
  Because announcing a coup in advance is stupendously idiotic? Ina traditional coup on MONDAY at 3 am soldiers roll into the TV stations and various government buildings. They announcing a change of government and people turn up to work Monday morning. On Friday evening?! They must be copying the failed Turkey coup that had to move forwards because they were uncovered.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > a traditional coup on MONDAY at 3 am soldiers roll into the TV stations and various government buildings This is a military coup. The army is in Zaporizhia. Moscow is defended by the FSB and national guard. Prigozhin needs to rally disgruntled forces to his side to enable him to move his troops. Quietly maneuvering would hand the narrative to the regime.
    - psychphysic 3y ago
      Well I for one am biting the bullet and getting Netflix multiscreen 4K. Might as well see the world end in style.
      - more_corn 3y ago
        Why would a military coup attempt in Russia cause the world to end?
    - justsomehnguy 3y ago
      > The army is in Zaporizhia Ah, yes, all 3 regiments, none left in Moscow.
kltpccc 3y ago
It does look that way. Where would the "Wagner" group get new weapons supplies for a successful coup? The CIA? I've heard multiple times that the "Wagner" group has actually been set up by the FSB and that this Prigozhin character is just a front man. Which makes sense, because how would a single individual set up such a large military organization? It is possible that the troops have become loyal to him. They'd still have to fight the entire Russian, Chechen, Belarus, ... armies. Why the psyop? Last time that guy made compromising videos was shortly before the fall of Bakhmut as a distraction. For all we know he is still FSB.
lamontcg 3y ago
Invading Ukraine also made no sense and was a horrible miscalculation.
dragonwriter 3y ago
It makes perfect sense if you’ve been following the Russian factional infighting, and a lot more sense than it being a psyop does. Whose psyop? To what end?
lawn 3y ago
If you've been following the war this was expected and not surprising.
- more_corn 3y ago
  I expected it to be better planned and coordinated. This sounds to me like a vanilla power struggle. “Sign here”, “fuck off”, “sign or die”, “try it” This can all be settled with a phone call. “What do you want?” “Respect, autonomy, support” “Done” “Turning around now”
more_corn 3y ago
I was thinking “oh great opportunity for Ukraine to push forward”, then “oh, if it’s fake and Ukraine pushes forward and over-extends it’ll go badly for them” But if you and I can figure that out in five minutes from around the world it’s unlikely that battle-hardened war leaders will fall for a trap.

This is absurd. It makes no sense. I'm calling psyop.

by fwungy 3y ago

This is absurd. It makes no sense. I'm calling psyop.

Could be form of surrendering troops from Ukraine without loosing face or “excuse” for tactical nukes or dogwhistle for US spies to aid the revolution

_V_ 3y ago

Who knows, too soon. But Prigozhin did seemingly lose to Shoigu earlier when Putin agreed to have all the "external" soldiers to be under the ShoiguúMoD command. So this may very well be the final fight between the two.

valine 3y ago

It could be a psyop, but it's far from absurd. Tensions between Yevgeny Prigozhin and Putin have been high. Most notable were the public threats from Wagner to pull out of Bakhmut due to lack of supplies. If anyone has the potential to seize power away from Putin, it's Prigozhin. Prigozhin has an army, one which is vital to Putin's war effort. Do you really think Prigozhin wouldn't turn on Putin given the opportunity?

int_19h 3y ago

If this is absurd, why has it been predicted for several months now by the likes of Strelkov?

bawolff 3y ago

I wouldn't say none. If you're going to plan a coup, do it well the military is distracted.

nurandal 3y ago
true: but looking at whats being posted on telegram and twitter, it looks like the russian security services (which probably weren't affected by the russian army recruitment draft) still have a lot of people (and brand new shiny jeeps and afvs, despite the shortage of new vehicles in ukraine for them).

viraptor 3y ago

It's easy to call something a psyop, but have you got a specific reason why this would be done? It's not like that would confuse their enemy in any way, same areas need reclaiming anyway, same troops can be observed. "There's internal conflict" has been known for a while and unless there's practical impact, it doesn't seem to affect what Ukraine needs to do.

psychphysic 3y ago
Because announcing a coup in advance is stupendously idiotic? Ina traditional coup on MONDAY at 3 am soldiers roll into the TV stations and various government buildings. They announcing a change of government and people turn up to work Monday morning. On Friday evening?! They must be copying the failed Turkey coup that had to move forwards because they were uncovered.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > a traditional coup on MONDAY at 3 am soldiers roll into the TV stations and various government buildings This is a military coup. The army is in Zaporizhia. Moscow is defended by the FSB and national guard. Prigozhin needs to rally disgruntled forces to his side to enable him to move his troops. Quietly maneuvering would hand the narrative to the regime.
  - psychphysic 3y ago
    Well I for one am biting the bullet and getting Netflix multiscreen 4K. Might as well see the world end in style.
    - more_corn 3y ago
      Why would a military coup attempt in Russia cause the world to end?
  - justsomehnguy 3y ago
    > The army is in Zaporizhia Ah, yes, all 3 regiments, none left in Moscow.

kltpccc 3y ago

It does look that way. Where would the "Wagner" group get new weapons supplies for a successful coup? The CIA? I've heard multiple times that the "Wagner" group has actually been set up by the FSB and that this Prigozhin character is just a front man. Which makes sense, because how would a single individual set up such a large military organization? It is possible that the troops have become loyal to him. They'd still have to fight the entire Russian, Chechen, Belarus, ... armies. Why the psyop? Last time that guy made compromising videos was shortly before the fall of Bakhmut as a distraction. For all we know he is still FSB.

lamontcg 3y ago

Invading Ukraine also made no sense and was a horrible miscalculation.

dragonwriter 3y ago

It makes perfect sense if you’ve been following the Russian factional infighting, and a lot more sense than it being a psyop does. Whose psyop? To what end?

lawn 3y ago

If you've been following the war this was expected and not surprising.

more_corn 3y ago
I expected it to be better planned and coordinated. This sounds to me like a vanilla power struggle. “Sign here”, “fuck off”, “sign or die”, “try it” This can all be settled with a phone call. “What do you want?” “Respect, autonomy, support” “Done” “Turning around now”

more_corn 3y ago

I was thinking “oh great opportunity for Ukraine to push forward”, then “oh, if it’s fake and Ukraine pushes forward and over-extends it’ll go badly for them” But if you and I can figure that out in five minutes from around the world it’s unlikely that battle-hardened war leaders will fall for a trap.