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«We're on our way to Moscow, and anyone who entered our centres will answer for it» - Prigozhin https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672358497067970561

by _V_ 3y ago

«We're on our way to Moscow, and anyone who entered our centres will answer for it» - Prigozhin https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672358497067970561 https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/16723584970679705...

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
Is this a serious attempt at a military coup? Wagner's command is competent. The recent border incursions show Russia is lightly fortified, possibly Moscow, too. The wild card would appear to be the FSB. Do they tend ultranationalist? Or will they be loyal to Shoigu?
- _V_ 3y ago
  Too soon to say for real - but something seems to be happening. There is quite a lot of noise from Russia.
- sidewndr46 3y ago
  My guess is that either the Ministry of Defense or Putin ordered a hit on Prigohzin. It either failed or he got wind of it. The best way to ensure his own safety at this point is a coup.
  - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
    The best way to insure his death is also a coup attempt. If he succeeds, he lives (maybe). If he fails, he definitely dies. He still may think that gives him better odds than not attempting the coup does, under current conditions...
    - _V_ 3y ago
      Well, they can't kill him twice...
    - BasedAnon 3y ago
      At some point the risk of dying between action and inaction becomes similar enough that the value of winning is worth it. Someone who has little to lose is more easily driven to action.
- chongli 3y ago
  I really don’t know much about the FSB. How many forces do they have? How much equipment? We have seen that they’re capable of carrying out extraterritorial assassinations and have kept Putin in power for decades by infiltrating and breaking up and political opposition. This is a different story: a full-scale military coup by a private army. But it remains to be seen whether or not Prigozhin would try to topple Putin or merely the army leadership in order to put himself in command of the war. The video statement I saw him make [1] would suggest he’s intending to gain control of Putin but keep him as a figurehead. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvLiQysKPhQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvLiQysKPhQ
  - lostmsu 3y ago
    > We have seen that they’re capable of carrying out extraterritorial assassinations These took months if not years to prepare, even with domestic ones.
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by _V_ 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

Is this a serious attempt at a military coup? Wagner's command is competent. The recent border incursions show Russia is lightly fortified, possibly Moscow, too. The wild card would appear to be the FSB. Do they tend ultranationalist? Or will they be loyal to Shoigu?

_V_ 3y ago
Too soon to say for real - but something seems to be happening. There is quite a lot of noise from Russia.
sidewndr46 3y ago
My guess is that either the Ministry of Defense or Putin ordered a hit on Prigohzin. It either failed or he got wind of it. The best way to ensure his own safety at this point is a coup.
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  The best way to insure his death is also a coup attempt. If he succeeds, he lives (maybe). If he fails, he definitely dies. He still may think that gives him better odds than not attempting the coup does, under current conditions...
  - _V_ 3y ago
    Well, they can't kill him twice...
  - BasedAnon 3y ago
    At some point the risk of dying between action and inaction becomes similar enough that the value of winning is worth it. Someone who has little to lose is more easily driven to action.
chongli 3y ago
I really don’t know much about the FSB. How many forces do they have? How much equipment? We have seen that they’re capable of carrying out extraterritorial assassinations and have kept Putin in power for decades by infiltrating and breaking up and political opposition. This is a different story: a full-scale military coup by a private army. But it remains to be seen whether or not Prigozhin would try to topple Putin or merely the army leadership in order to put himself in command of the war. The video statement I saw him make [1] would suggest he’s intending to gain control of Putin but keep him as a figurehead. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvLiQysKPhQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvLiQysKPhQ
- lostmsu 3y ago
  > We have seen that they’re capable of carrying out extraterritorial assassinations These took months if not years to prepare, even with domestic ones.
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