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California is more than twice the size of Florida. Ignoring a third which is "desert" — much of this is actually steppe — doesn't tip the scales. I'm not sure w

by scythe 3y ago

California is more than twice the size of Florida. Ignoring a third which is "desert" — much of this is actually steppe — doesn't tip the scales. I'm not sure what the arbitrary human-imposed classification of "controlled by the federal government" has to do with anything.

wongarsu 3y ago
> I'm not sure what the arbitrary human-imposed classification of "controlled by the federal government" has to do with anything I would assume that forests on federal land are managed by the federal government, and forests owned by the state are managed by the state. California might not have a lot of say whether prescribed burns happen on federal land.
dragonwriter 3y ago
> I'm not sure what the arbitrary human-imposed classification of "controlled by the federal government" has to do with anything It has a lot do when you discuss California’s land use policy, which does not apply to nearly half of California, including an even larger share of the land to which controlled burns might sensibly apply, which are largely national parks or national forests.
- scythe 3y ago
  >It has a lot do when you discuss California’s land use policy, which does not apply to nearly half of California, including an even larger share of the land to which controlled burns might sensibly apply, which are largely national parks or national forests. Many of the controlled burns in Florida take place in Everglades National Park, which includes the largest federally protected wilderness in the Eastern US. I don't see how this objection changes anything. Is the federal government preventing controlled burns? Since when has that ever been a policy?
  - taeric 3y ago
    I think this is a very interesting question, and I'd love to see a concise explanation. To directly answer "is the federal government preventing controlled burns?" They will definitely prevent controlled burns during the dry season. More, they have to fund doing the burns. Story I saw linked earlier was https://www.npr.org/2021/08/09/1026137249/with-extreme-fires-burning-forest-service-stops-good-fires-too https://www.npr.org/2021/08/09/1026137249/with-extreme-fires.... https://www.fs.usda.gov/managing-land/prescribed-fire https://www.fs.usda.gov/managing-land/prescribed-fire is about as far as I got on my quick dive looking for details on how to run a controlled burn. I don't see an obvious link for seasons that they run these burns. This story, ultimately, is about finding a way to insure private run large scale burns. The state built up an accredited set of associates, now they are leveraging them to try and make an insurance market for limiting liability. (At least, that is my read of the situation. There is definitely a ton of talking past each other in this topic.)

by scythe 3y ago

wongarsu 3y ago

> I'm not sure what the arbitrary human-imposed classification of "controlled by the federal government" has to do with anything I would assume that forests on federal land are managed by the federal government, and forests owned by the state are managed by the state. California might not have a lot of say whether prescribed burns happen on federal land.

dragonwriter 3y ago

> I'm not sure what the arbitrary human-imposed classification of "controlled by the federal government" has to do with anything It has a lot do when you discuss California’s land use policy, which does not apply to nearly half of California, including an even larger share of the land to which controlled burns might sensibly apply, which are largely national parks or national forests.

scythe 3y ago
>It has a lot do when you discuss California’s land use policy, which does not apply to nearly half of California, including an even larger share of the land to which controlled burns might sensibly apply, which are largely national parks or national forests. Many of the controlled burns in Florida take place in Everglades National Park, which includes the largest federally protected wilderness in the Eastern US. I don't see how this objection changes anything. Is the federal government preventing controlled burns? Since when has that ever been a policy?
- taeric 3y ago
  I think this is a very interesting question, and I'd love to see a concise explanation. To directly answer "is the federal government preventing controlled burns?" They will definitely prevent controlled burns during the dry season. More, they have to fund doing the burns. Story I saw linked earlier was https://www.npr.org/2021/08/09/1026137249/with-extreme-fires-burning-forest-service-stops-good-fires-too https://www.npr.org/2021/08/09/1026137249/with-extreme-fires.... https://www.fs.usda.gov/managing-land/prescribed-fire https://www.fs.usda.gov/managing-land/prescribed-fire is about as far as I got on my quick dive looking for details on how to run a controlled burn. I don't see an obvious link for seasons that they run these burns. This story, ultimately, is about finding a way to insure private run large scale burns. The state built up an accredited set of associates, now they are leveraging them to try and make an insurance market for limiting liability. (At least, that is my read of the situation. There is definitely a ton of talking past each other in this topic.)