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Totally reasonable reaction. I'm not on the anti-Red Hat bus, I feel like they have every right to walk the path they're walking right now. I don't think Red H

by jzb 3y ago

Totally reasonable reaction. I'm not on the anti-Red Hat bus, I feel like they have every right to walk the path they're walking right now. I don't think Red Hat gets enough credit for its work carrying wood and chopping water to produce RHEL from users who get to sit by the fire and have clean water. Even if that water isn't in the fancy RHEL bottle and they don't get the closest spot to the fire. But other maintainers also get to decide how they react. Geerling is also contributing and if he thinks that Red Hat has gone too far, he doesn't owe anybody contributions either.

nolist_policy 3y ago
This doesn't change much IMHO. Already when you report a bug for some years-old piece of software (as is the case for LTS distros), upstream projects will first ask you to reproduce with the latest version or even straight from git master. As far as they are concerned, you are always running the latest upstream release. I also have never seen any project step out of their way and try to reproduce an issue on a specific distribution. That burden is usually on the reporter.
bamfly 3y ago
> Geerling is also contributing and if he thinks that Red Hat has gone too far, he doesn't owe anybody contributions either. Like, even if one thinks Red Hat's totally in the right—why volunteer time helping out RHEL, now? Completely rational to stop doing that whether or not one thinks what they're doing is ethically OK. (Other Red Hat software/projects—sure, maybe still makes sense to keep contributing to and supporting those with volunteer time, it's just a whole lot less appealing to do free work for RHEL itself, now)
- eastbound 3y ago
  > even if one thinks Red Hat's totally in the right—why volunteer time helping out RHEL, now? Because a paid Linux is the correct way to building an incredible seventh wonder of the world. - As opposed to Windows, it’s still open-source. You can recompile it, send it to friends, and more importantly, maintain it if RedHat dies. Linux will stay 70 years while Windows will die with Microsoft. - Linux is truely the most marvellous act of humans. Name another OS which landed on Mars… nevermind took off from Mars. Name another engineering piece on Earth that was the result of the generous contribution of hundreds of thousands of people. Today, RH wants money. It doesn’t remove the other positive aspects of OSS, and it will help build better bigger companies with more marketing power and thus, more weight in this world. Which can also be a good thing. I totally see why, even though a contributor can choose, it’s still worth helping a private company on OSS.

by jzb 3y ago

nolist_policy 3y ago

This doesn't change much IMHO. Already when you report a bug for some years-old piece of software (as is the case for LTS distros), upstream projects will first ask you to reproduce with the latest version or even straight from git master. As far as they are concerned, you are always running the latest upstream release. I also have never seen any project step out of their way and try to reproduce an issue on a specific distribution. That burden is usually on the reporter.

bamfly 3y ago

> Geerling is also contributing and if he thinks that Red Hat has gone too far, he doesn't owe anybody contributions either. Like, even if one thinks Red Hat's totally in the right—why volunteer time helping out RHEL, now? Completely rational to stop doing that whether or not one thinks what they're doing is ethically OK. (Other Red Hat software/projects—sure, maybe still makes sense to keep contributing to and supporting those with volunteer time, it's just a whole lot less appealing to do free work for RHEL itself, now)

eastbound 3y ago
> even if one thinks Red Hat's totally in the right—why volunteer time helping out RHEL, now? Because a paid Linux is the correct way to building an incredible seventh wonder of the world. - As opposed to Windows, it’s still open-source. You can recompile it, send it to friends, and more importantly, maintain it if RedHat dies. Linux will stay 70 years while Windows will die with Microsoft. - Linux is truely the most marvellous act of humans. Name another OS which landed on Mars… nevermind took off from Mars. Name another engineering piece on Earth that was the result of the generous contribution of hundreds of thousands of people. Today, RH wants money. It doesn’t remove the other positive aspects of OSS, and it will help build better bigger companies with more marketing power and thus, more weight in this world. Which can also be a good thing. I totally see why, even though a contributor can choose, it’s still worth helping a private company on OSS.