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The article mentions for one sentence that Europeans thought it was “primitive”. The majority of the articles focus is on insurance liability. Do any of you p

by cududa 3y ago

The article mentions for one sentence that Europeans thought it was “primitive”. The majority of the articles focus is on insurance liability. Do any of you people actually read before you comment?

chrisco255 3y ago
"Europeans" thought it was "primitive", universally? Or some white person somewhere in the annals of time wrote down that opinion once? What's bizarre is that in spite of that non-sequitur, fire suppression was mandated by the very first session of the California Legislature in 1850. This isn't some ancient technique we're only just now rediscovering. It's been well-established practice for over a century, only recently eschewed in favor of assuaging irrational environmentalists.
- test098 3y ago
  no, early europeans who first settled in California believed the practice was primitive. later generations would continue: > In a 1918 letter, a district ranger at Klamath National Forest wrote to his supervisor that the US Forest Service’s most important duty was to keep fires to a minimum, but “renegade whites and Indians” were setting fires “for pure cussedness”, not caring whether the fires harmed others. > He suggested that the solution was “to kill them off, every time you catch one sneaking around in the brush like a coyote, take a shot at him”. He also suggested hiring a female missionary who had “gained the confidence” of Indigenous people to convince them to adopt settler theories about fire. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/3/new-california-law-affirms-indigenous-right-to-controlled-burns https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/3/new-california-law-...
  - chrisco255 3y ago
    Again, pointing out to an opinion by one group or individual among white people is not a universal thing. It might shock you to hear this, but white people commonly disagree about various approaches to problem solving and politics. Controlled burning has been used in the South by white people since the early 1800s: https://www.fs.usda.gov/research/treesearch/19091 https://www.fs.usda.gov/research/treesearch/19091, where "it was quickly adopted from the Indians by early European settlers". One ranger in California in 1918 does not speak for an entire race for God's sake. That should be obvious.
    - drekipus 3y ago
      Well this isn't as fun as a narrative, so I'm not listening! /s
  - 2devnull 3y ago
    Arson wasn’t invented until Ronald Reagan was elected so surely setting “fire for pure cussedness” couldn’t have been a reference to arson in your n=1 anecdote which nicely proved to parent point you seem to take issue with.

by cududa 3y ago

chrisco255 3y ago

"Europeans" thought it was "primitive", universally? Or some white person somewhere in the annals of time wrote down that opinion once? What's bizarre is that in spite of that non-sequitur, fire suppression was mandated by the very first session of the California Legislature in 1850. This isn't some ancient technique we're only just now rediscovering. It's been well-established practice for over a century, only recently eschewed in favor of assuaging irrational environmentalists.

test098 3y ago
no, early europeans who first settled in California believed the practice was primitive. later generations would continue: > In a 1918 letter, a district ranger at Klamath National Forest wrote to his supervisor that the US Forest Service’s most important duty was to keep fires to a minimum, but “renegade whites and Indians” were setting fires “for pure cussedness”, not caring whether the fires harmed others. > He suggested that the solution was “to kill them off, every time you catch one sneaking around in the brush like a coyote, take a shot at him”. He also suggested hiring a female missionary who had “gained the confidence” of Indigenous people to convince them to adopt settler theories about fire. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/3/new-california-law-affirms-indigenous-right-to-controlled-burns https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/3/new-california-law-...
- chrisco255 3y ago
  Again, pointing out to an opinion by one group or individual among white people is not a universal thing. It might shock you to hear this, but white people commonly disagree about various approaches to problem solving and politics. Controlled burning has been used in the South by white people since the early 1800s: https://www.fs.usda.gov/research/treesearch/19091 https://www.fs.usda.gov/research/treesearch/19091, where "it was quickly adopted from the Indians by early European settlers". One ranger in California in 1918 does not speak for an entire race for God's sake. That should be obvious.
  - drekipus 3y ago
    Well this isn't as fun as a narrative, so I'm not listening! /s
- 2devnull 3y ago
  Arson wasn’t invented until Ronald Reagan was elected so surely setting “fire for pure cussedness” couldn’t have been a reference to arson in your n=1 anecdote which nicely proved to parent point you seem to take issue with.