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China is permitting 2 new coal plants a week[1]. Yet it's cow flatulence that is the problem. How people get convinced to act against their own self interest I

China is permitting 2 new coal plants a week[1]. Yet it's cow flatulence that is the problem. How people get convinced to act against their own self interest I'll never understand. [1] https://energyandcleanair.org/publication/china-permits-two-new-coal-power-plants-per-week-in-2022/ https://energyandcleanair.org/publication/china-permits-two-...

mrguyorama 3y ago
Why is china being a bad actor mean we should ignore the real damage climate change is already causing? How are we supposed to stop china from building coal plants? They were leading the way with cheap renewable energy until recent economic contractions. "Someone else is lighting a fire in the building so we shouldn't try putting out this grease fire we have here" is a stupid, accelerationist take that doesn't even make sense on it's face.
- melling 3y ago
  We were warned about the coal problem in China/India 40 years ago. https://youtu.be/Wp-WiNXH6hI https://youtu.be/Wp-WiNXH6hI We were also warned that even if the United States solved the problem that it wasn’t enough. People think they can convince several billion people to give up meat but replacing several thousand coal power plants is too hard… “Local governments in China approved more new coal power in the first three months of 2023 than in the whole of 2021, according to official documents” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/24/china-ramps-up-coal-power-despite-carbon-neutral-pledges https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/24/china-ramps-up...
  - myshpa 3y ago
    > People think they can convince several billion people to give up meat but replacing several thousand coal power plants is too hard… No, energy and transport is easy. Changing agriculture and diets/habits is hard. Unfortunately we have to do everything, not just this or that. The science is clear. And CO2 / warming is not our only problem. Biodiversity is equally important problem to be solved. The climate crisis and biodiversity crisis can't be approached separately, says study https://phys.org/news/2023-04-climate-crisis-biodiversity-approached.html https://phys.org/news/2023-04-climate-crisis-biodiversity-ap... Our global food system is the primary driver of biodiversity loss https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/our-global-food-system-primary-driver-biodiversity-loss https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/our-glob... Australians far less aware of biodiversity loss than climate crisis, research finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/20/australians-far-less-aware-of-biodiversity-loss-than-climate-crisis-research-finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/20/australi...

mrguyorama 3y ago

Why is china being a bad actor mean we should ignore the real damage climate change is already causing? How are we supposed to stop china from building coal plants? They were leading the way with cheap renewable energy until recent economic contractions. "Someone else is lighting a fire in the building so we shouldn't try putting out this grease fire we have here" is a stupid, accelerationist take that doesn't even make sense on it's face.

melling 3y ago
We were warned about the coal problem in China/India 40 years ago. https://youtu.be/Wp-WiNXH6hI https://youtu.be/Wp-WiNXH6hI We were also warned that even if the United States solved the problem that it wasn’t enough. People think they can convince several billion people to give up meat but replacing several thousand coal power plants is too hard… “Local governments in China approved more new coal power in the first three months of 2023 than in the whole of 2021, according to official documents” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/24/china-ramps-up-coal-power-despite-carbon-neutral-pledges https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/24/china-ramps-up...
- myshpa 3y ago
  > People think they can convince several billion people to give up meat but replacing several thousand coal power plants is too hard… No, energy and transport is easy. Changing agriculture and diets/habits is hard. Unfortunately we have to do everything, not just this or that. The science is clear. And CO2 / warming is not our only problem. Biodiversity is equally important problem to be solved. The climate crisis and biodiversity crisis can't be approached separately, says study https://phys.org/news/2023-04-climate-crisis-biodiversity-approached.html https://phys.org/news/2023-04-climate-crisis-biodiversity-ap... Our global food system is the primary driver of biodiversity loss https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/our-global-food-system-primary-driver-biodiversity-loss https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/our-glob... Australians far less aware of biodiversity loss than climate crisis, research finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/20/australians-far-less-aware-of-biodiversity-loss-than-climate-crisis-research-finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/20/australi...